Re: Raid Situation

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are we still talking about this shit? It's all been covered 1000 times from 100 different angles. T1 guilds want their efforts to be rewarded and their raid scene not to be shit on with rotations. T2 guilds want to see and experience content without having to compete for it, park characters, wake up at strange hours, or race to mobs. BDA wants as many free mobs as they can get without having to do anything besides lawyer on the forums, and they will milk this situation until they get it. GMs want their petition queue to be lower.

Okay, we've established all these things. There should be no more discussion about playstyle, or what this server was meant for, or how players should choose to play the game.

How many mobs does BDA need before they agree to a plan?

How many mobs should T1 be forced to give up?

Schedule another meeting and answer these two questions. All that matters is negotiations, so stop fucking wasting your time debating anything else. Don't let Chest waste 15 minutes talking about how toxic the raid scene is and how the only thing that's fair is 50/50. Don't let anyone from T1 talk about the spirit of competition. This shit doesn't matter because neither side will ever agree. Just figure out what each side can live with and let us move on.

1) All non-epic, non VP mobs rotate between Tier 1 (Hardcore) and Tier 2 (Casual) between the tiers based on tier lockout. What each tier does with their mob is up to them, be it FFA competition/tracking, or rotation/delayed re-engagement friendly competition.

2) All epic mobs cycle tier 1 -> tier 2 -> FFA, to reward competition and give tier 2 guilds in the future a chance to see what it is like to compete against tier 1 guilds before deciding to become hardcore competitors, and join that style. (This was a compromise from epic mobs being in rule 1)

3) VP is never, and will never be a tier 2 raiding spot, it will never be casual, it will always be FFA with no stipulations other than those agreed upon by the tier 1 guilds for their style of gameplay, but that is between themselves, not for the casuals to create.

Casuals get their bubble, hardcores get their bubble, conflicts between these two playstyles stop by a hefty majority. Hardcores get 2-3 mobs a day, around 75 total a month, to compete over, and casuals can claim the rest to do with whatever they wish.

Done. Everyone can peaceably coexist in this setting. Hardcores are left to FFA among themselves, by their own terms, and casuals amongst themselves, by their own terms. Everyone gets their own environment, and can go to whichever environment they want.

Problem solved.

[Fael]

And how is that better than the 3-4 repop plan?

Dolic

[Fael]

Luclin server had a rotation on vs and trakanon and the planes. Everything else was FFA (killed by legacy of sorrow). My guild was 3rd one onto the rotation, we got maybe 8 trak teeth before velious spawned and it became a moot point.

Dolic

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And how is that better than the 3-4 repop plan?

Dolic

Am I the only person that read what sirken posted fully? Shit clearly said at the bottom that guilds still needed to come up with a raiding plan for all spawns outside of the repops.

[Fael]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am I the only person that read what sirken posted fully? Shit clearly said at the bottom that guilds still needed to come up with a raiding plan for all spawns outside of the repops.

Ahh. So your proposal is in in conjunction to the repop plan ? Not all of us are expert forum questers. Got to lead us to the water.

Dolic

[Erati]

i think most proposals included some form of "sim patch day" repops

basically with Rogeans or Stealins plan the repops would serve to speed up the cycles as the repopped mob would still follow the tier it was suppose to belong to as if it had spawned normally

Repops will b a part of the solution no matter what plan is decided on

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think most proposals included some form of "sim patch day" repops

basically with Rogeans or Stealins plan the repops would serve to speed up the cycles as the repopped mob would still follow the tier it was suppose to belong to as if it had spawned normally

Repops will b a part of the solution no matter what plan is decided on

In my proposal, I suggest that staff dictate how they want to handle them (repops)and that the rules the people made up should come 2nd to how the GMs wanted to handle them.

Why?

Because it's the staff that has to put it in place and the staff has less to gain by how they are divided to the server.

Rogean's 1/1/1 proposal (or my proposal, wtf ever) would work with repops or in conjunction with sirken's repop rules (two different rule sets).

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh. So your proposal is in in conjunction to the repop plan ? Not all of us are expert forum questers. Got to lead us to the water.

Dolic

I had a proposal and I pm'd it to several people (including Rogean and Sirken) and from what I've seen/heard Rogean took a section of it and expanded it (something about a 1/1/1 raiding proposal). I don't know how far it's gone or will go and it really doesn't matter to me.

However, I can clearly see that what Sirken posted wasn't the solution to end the raid suspension. The suspension happened and people were told to make a new raiding proposal and to agree to it and that "we" shouldn't expect repops, variance reduced, game mechanics changed, etc in any of the plans.

You guys got ahead of yourselves and thought in the end nothing had to change and you'd get free repops.

Now, I have no clue why Sirken posted the raid suspension was going to be lifted, but it was clear in his Repop post that guilds needed to still work out the normal raiding details (it was stated at the bottom).