Re: Raid Situation

[Unidus]

Originally Posted by Babayaaga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This post illustrates the problem perfectly.

There is this belief system associated with what determines a guild to be "worthy" of having access to content. It is the deeds that truly grant this access which are up for debate.

Example:

Contested Mob Spawns. 3 guilds know immediately through their own respective means.

Guild 1 sends out messages to guildmates who begin camping in an Alt army.

Guild 2 sends out messages to guildmates who begin deploying immediately to the scene.

Guild 3 sends out messages to guildmates, some of whom have Alts camped at the spawn point while others begin deploying to the scene.

*** 4 minutes pass ***

All three forces are buffed and rush to engage the mob. Guild 1 engages the contested boss mob with DA and begins to kite it around.

Guild 2 gathers other local mobs (of substantial firepower) and kites them to Guild 1's engage point training the entire force, killing 75% of their raid force, as well as the puller kiter.

Guild 3 picks up the Contested Mob and pulls it to their camp, gets boss down to 20% when suddenly a massive train is dumped on their raid force by Guild 1's puller.

Guild 2 sweeps in and finishes the kill and loots the spoils.

*** The End of Anecdote ***

This is what the contested raid scene was like before 3 weeks ago. This situation is an example of what nearly every contested raid went like when multiple guilds tried to go after the same target. These events would unfold in less than 10 minutes.

The people who are calling this situation "fair", are generally the same people who would pull some of the dirtier tactics. Competition is one thing, but this is another. I always thought Xegony was the Ghetto of all cess-pool servers on classic but P99 really takes the cake when it comes to how very low some people would stoop to make sure they got pixels instead of someone else, particularly ones they didn't "need".

Being "the best" means something different to each person playing here. To some, it means doing whatever it takes to screw someone else over so they have more. To others, it means being known for being an all around good guy who cares about the overall health of the community.

If that was how it was then the staff needs to man up and ban/disband all 3 guilds. That's how it was on my server and most other live servers. Most of these guilds and players would be banned on live.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

right, and there's all kinds of stuff that t2 rejected as well

And they aren't discussed seriously anymore. FE original plan is gone, so are sloan's plans, so is Sirken and Derubael's plans. Rogean was the worst one that was ever proposed for T1. As soon as it was posted we had a forum post on our boards basically agreeing that it was one of the worst one's we've seen. In guild chat it was pretty unanimous. As far as I can tell, Rogean's plan is still being discussed because it's posted in a section where you can't see the overwhelming disgust for it. Only designated officers can post there, and they are trying to maintain composure.

[Autotune]

Don't worry guys, I'm leveling again. I'll be 60 sometime this month and then you can raid again.

[Joroz]

all your math is going to be off... sirken's plan has a huge flaw... steady stream of repops which probably wasn't entirely agreed on.

[citizen1080]

My brain hurts

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all your math is going to be off... sirken's plan has a huge flaw... steady stream of repops which probably wasn't entirely agreed on.

Why wouldn't it be agreed on though? Repops that T1 can't engage are even better for T2 than variance mobs which are t2 only. They don't have to track, don't have to sock, don't have to park, don't have to compete. They will have warning of when the repops are going to happen, and they can do a rotation if they want to. Isn't this every single thing they wanted? Even getting guaranteed 8 T1 mobs. I cannot understand why this isn't the best deal which has ever been proposed for them.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why wouldn't it be agreed on though? Repops that T1 can't engage are even better for T2 than variance mobs which are t2 only. They don't have to track, don't have to sock, don't have to park, don't have to compete. They will have warning of when the repops are going to happen, and they can do a rotation if they want to. Isn't this every single thing they wanted? Even getting guaranteed 8 T1 mobs. I cannot understand why this isn't the best deal which has ever been proposed for them.

I didn't say by players, you just assumed that.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say by players, you just assumed that.

I'm pretty sure Rogean said a few days ago that 3-4 repops a month was a viable option.

[Nune]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, watch, I can do it too... I'll even add post links!

Just as it became abundantly clear two days ago after the Sirken-announced ruleset that TMO/FE was more concerned with raid loot coming into the game at a faster rate via 3-4 repops a month, de-valuing the items they might be selling for various reasons and by various methods...

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=25

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...&postcount=108

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...&postcount=120

Spin works both ways.

This dude is Harvard Law Forum lawyering Jeremy's Community College Paralegal degree attempts at spin campaigning.

[jijii]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

come to bda vent and i'll math you bro

can you please math us right here, bro?