Re: Raid Situation

[dav]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUUv4dweE1A

[Fael]

How many mobs do tier 2 guilds rotate between under the repop agreement ?

How many would they get under div Rogean plan?

Anyone do the per month math yet ?

Dolic

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many mobs do tier 2 guilds rotate between under the repop agreement ?

How many would they get under div Rogean plan?

Anyone do the per month math yet ?

Dolic

so let's do some back of the envelope math

before the banhammer came down on TMO the usual mob distribution was something like 80-90% for the hardcore guilds, Taken was socking to snag Innys, BDA was DOMINATING Vox (lol) and we'd maybe snag a target here or there. No other tier2 guilds were getting anything. Let's call that pool of mobs X

The Rogean plan was to split X mobs 50/50 between the tiers and any mobs that spawned from the additional repops would retain their tier assignments, so each tier gets 50% of X and most likely 50% of Y based on when the spawns fall

The plan that was enacted was pure FFA for the pool of X so that meant 80-90% for the hardcore crowd, and the tiers were basically splitting the pool of Y mobs (repops) down the middle. So 80-90% of pool X, and half of pool Y for the hardcores, and half of pool Y for the casuals.

I think that's a pretty close representation of how the math plays out

[Fael]

Rogeans plan was 50/50 for all but vp right?
So, t2 gets, per month, roughly 2 x ct, vs, inny, dolj, sev, tal, gore, fay, vox, nag, and 4x trak. So total of 24 mobs.

Under the plan we though we had, tier 2 gets basically the exact same amount. And they still get the opp to compete on FFA repop (guaranteed another 4 or 5), and also the ability to compete during second half of month.

Accordingly, why the heck are we upset about this ?
It's a win win.

I suspect it has most to do with the fact that they want tier 1 to get less more than they want to get more.

Dolic

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogeans plan was 50/50 for all but vp right?
So, t2 gets, per month, roughly 2 x ct, vs, inny, dolj, sev, tal, gore, fay, vox, nag, and 4x trak. So total of 24 mobs.

Under the plan we though we had, tier 2 gets basically the exact same amount. And they still get the opp to compete on FFA repop (guaranteed another 4 or 5), and also the ability to compete during second half of month.

Accordingly, why the heck are we upset about this ?
It's a win win.

I suspect it has most to do with the fact that they want tier 1 to get less more than they want to get more.

Dolic

because additional repops and reduced variance were always on the table, they weren't something special added by sirken to sweeten his plan. Any plan agreed upon would have had some semblance of repops/lesser variance so no matter what the pool of mobs would be increased

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because additional repops and reduced variance were always on the table, they weren't something special added by sirken to sweeten his plan. Any plan agreed upon would have had some semblance of repops/lesser variance so no matter what the pool of mobs would be increased

You were not offered repops that T1 wasn't allowed to touch at all. If you think t2 would have gotten a guaranteed 8 T1 spawns a month on FFA repops you're crazy. Not to mention 3-4 repops were not on the table either, 2 were.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You were not offered repops that T1 wasn't allowed to touch at all. If you think t2 would have gotten a guaranteed 8 T1 spawns a month on FFA repops you're crazy. Not to mention 3-4 repops were not on the table either, 2 were.

let me repeat myself

part of the rogean plan ensured that targets retained their tier assignment through repops. So all of the normal mobs that spawn, plus all of the new mobs coming from repops, and they'd still get split down the middle. More mobs overall and a fair split for everyone.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Accordingly, why the heck are we upset about this ?
It's a win win.

Question of the night. The plan we ended up getting was better than the one that BDA wanted, because it featured repops in addition to normal spawn, which was a mechanic we thought wouldn't be considered. Tier 2 didn't end up with less mobs, they potentially got more. 12 pages and I still haven't heard a reason why the repop plan was bad.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question of the night. The plan we ended up getting was better than the one that BDA wanted, because it featured repops in addition to normal spawn, which was a mechanic we thought wouldn't be considered. Tier 2 didn't end up with less mobs, they potentially got more. 12 pages and I still haven't heard a reason why the repop plan was bad.

I suspect the staff is having a heart-to-heart right now and will let us know what happened once they talk. Just my guess.

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogeans plan was 50/50 for all but vp right?
So, t2 gets, per month, roughly 2 x ct, vs, inny, dolj, sev, tal, gore, fay, vox, nag, and 4x trak. So total of 24 mobs.

Under the plan we though we had, tier 2 gets basically the exact same amount. And they still get the opp to compete on FFA repop (guaranteed another 4 or 5), and also the ability to compete during second half of month.

Accordingly, why the heck are we upset about this ?
It's a win win.

I suspect it has most to do with the fact that they want tier 1 to get less more than they want to get more.

Dolic

What they really wanted was mobs to be up WHEN they have people on and decide they feel like raiding instead of farming for plat. They never wanted to have to compete even against themselves. Fact is with 24 mobs a month i wouldnt be surprised to see many of these go FFA because no one gathers to kill. Raiders have migrated to raiding guilds long ago.

Its easy to shout and be loud about injustice but i doubt they really want to go raid a mob after it pops. They act like they are forced to step aside but the reality is they don't even show up.