Sirken's proposal

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Jorgam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the information. I think, however, that you are discussing the idealized form of socialism and not the realities of the political model when employed by humans. On paper it sounds great, in practice, not so much.

Schadenfreude is good term. That isn't what I want, as I am willing to earn my keep! However, much of the top end game comes off as malicious to those who aren't a part of the top end guilds. In particular I think the epic situation is beyond ridiculous. Having to buy some epics, due to top guilds possessing the spawns non-stop, is wrong.

But that's the mistake I am pointing you too. Every big socialism we have seen has also been an autocracy. It is not because autocracies and socialisms go together, it is because when the Soviet Union became a world power in opposition to the United States in a struggle for hegemony following World War II, each had to ideologically polarize from one another, and seed their ideological views into their blocks of states. So you have the United States using the Marshall Plan to instill capitalist democratic systems into western Europe. The USSR did similar, but did it for autocratic socialism. However, the United States still liked autocratic regimes, as they made for an easy way to control other states, such as what the United States did through much of the 50s and 60s in South American. For that reason, we ideologically polarized ourselves from Socialism as a concept, rather than from Autocracy. You cannot dissect the two of these from one another on grand scales, because of this fact.

In a similar way, you can't really segregate capitalism from democracy in many cases due to this same fact, except when looking in more recent years at anocracies and the growth of new states and new political systems in the post-Soviet era. Socialism is a common practice in many parts of the United States, but it is not called that. There are numerous places around the world that run more socialist systems, independent of autocratic regimes, but they are all small. No large socialist state has ever arisen due to the ideological polarization of the Cold War and the seeding done by the victor, the United States. Instead, you have to look at small scale versions of socialism if you're going to have a hope of understanding how it works as a system. So, if you want to say Socialism falls flat on its face, it isn't that simple, because it's confounded by even more powerful evidence that Autocracies fall on their faces, and your variables are confused.

But this is all beside the point... What is being suggested on this server by the casual raiders is not Socialism. It doesn't come in any way close to fitting what Socialism is by definition.

For anyone passing through and curious on what this all actually is in a more elaborate way than my ramblings, check out the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4.

As for schadenfreude, as it stands with Rogean's proposal, there'd be around 2-3 mobs a day (14-21 a week for 3 guilds to fight over) for the Hardcore tier to go for, and 1 mob for each casual guild (assuming a rotation) each week. This is more than enough, really. It isn't asking for hand outs, its asking to let us enjoy the game, enjoy our more relaxed, less cutthroat competition with one another, and let them enjoy their more cutthroat competition. We each like our side of it, why make one suffer for the other? The only reason I can think is schadenfreude.