Alawen

[Taluvill]

Alawen, for what it's worth, your a good guy. I know you put in your time in IB and deserve what you got, and probably more. You were/are at least one person I could have a civil/intelligent conversation with.

Dont ragequit fo eva

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alawen, for what it's worth, your a good guy. I know you put in your time in IB and deserve what you got, and probably more. You were/are at least one person I could have a civil/intelligent conversation with.

Dont ragequit fo eva

Thanks for the kind words in both threads, Tal. Don't those days chatting with all the druids from various guilds back in Fear seem innocent after all this crap? It's just a game. We're all playing a game together. I thought it was supposed to be fun. I thought we were supposed to make friends.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the kind words in both threads, Tal. Don't those days chatting with all the druids from various guilds back in Fear seem innocent after all this crap? It's just a game. We're all playing a game together. I thought it was supposed to be fun. I thought we were supposed to make friends.

Some people play to be social and play a rpg with others - those people do make friends.

Some people play to be elite and be better than everyone else. Even if this person is a nice guy, being the best is a dirty game and some people need to be left in the dust. If you play and have to be in the best guild and raid all the time you are going to deal with a bunch of bullshit. Even if you are just wanting to raid all the time because you enjoy the content there are a ton of other people wanting to be the best and not everyone can, this causes bitching and the drama all of you fight over. If you just didn't give a shit about having an item in this game all that would go away, but unfortunately those items mean way too much for some people.

[Bronson]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people play to be social and play a rpg with others - those people do make friends.

Some people play to be elite and be better than everyone else. Even if this person is a nice guy, being the best is a dirty game and some people need to be left in the dust. If you play and have to be in the best guild and raid all the time you are going to deal with a bunch of bullshit. Even if you are just wanting to raid all the time because you enjoy the content there are a ton of other people wanting to be the best and not everyone can, this causes bitching and the drama all of you fight over. If you just didn't give a shit about having an item in this game all that would go away, but unfortunately those items mean way too much for some people.

I agree. It's never been about the loot for me. It's always been about slaying dragons and having a good time.

[Itchybottom]

It's like the thread has turned into an episode of Oprah or something.

[Lazortag]

Alright, so I`m typing on a french keyboard right now which means my post is at worst going to look like something Raren typed, and at best going to have some unusual punctuation, but here goes: while I won`t dispute what Alawen says about IB in the original post or any of the subsequent ones (nor will I say anything to confirm it because I just donét know if what he says is true), I`m not really sure what the controversy is over him getting kicked from IB. I mean, he criticized his guild in a public forum, something which I`m sure no guild would be okay with, and for good reason - there are other channels through which he can talk about his grievances with the guild, and it`s always more desirable to keep a guild`s problems private than to put them out on display. I also don`t see why he cares that he was kicked from a guild that he was obviously not enjoying being a part of. If I didnt like being in LifeAlert, i`d just leave - similarly, if I didn`t like my job, I wouldn`t TRY to get fired - I`d just quit. Alawen TRIED to get kicked out with this thread.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alright, so I`m typing on a french keyboard right now which means my post is at worst going to look like something Raren typed, and at best going to have some unusual punctuation, but here goes: while I won`t dispute what Alawen says about IB in the original post or any of the subsequent ones (nor will I say anything to confirm it because I just donét know if what he says is true), I`m not really sure what the controversy is over him getting kicked from IB. I mean, he criticized his guild in a public forum, something which I`m sure no guild would be okay with, and for good reason - there are other channels through which he can talk about his grievances with the guild, and it`s always more desirable to keep a guild`s problems private than to put them out on display. I also don`t see why he cares that he was kicked from a guild that he was obviously not enjoying being a part of. If I didnt like being in LifeAlert, i`d just leave - similarly, if I didn`t like my job, I wouldn`t TRY to get fired - I`d just quit. Alawen TRIED to get kicked out with this thread.

I gave this some thought and I think there might be some truth to your thoughts. Collectively, the people in IB act as the server bullies. When I was leveling my cleric, Daire, I didn't tell most people about him. The guild I had by far the most trouble with was IB. IB members stole camps and named mobs from my pickup groups and even trained my bats and bugs groups repeatedly with fire giants. The way IB treats discarded members is pretty deplorable.

When I started with IB, there was a bard who was a really nice guy. They'd been stringing him along on his application period for weeks and weeks. They finally rejected him and he was really sad. His name will still come up once in a while in guild chat or ventrilo and they'll ridicule him all over again.

There are two other guys, a monk and a cleric, that I really like, too. They've been getting the same treatment. Just used and used for weeks, not made full members, not given loot, and talked about all the time behind their backs.

The thing I think would surprise most people is that, collectively, the players in IB are nothing particularly special. Emil and Tullian are both really good and Emil is honestly the only reason IB is the top guild. There are maybe half a dozen other players who would have made it into a top tier guild on live. The rest could be replaced by nearly anyone willing to devote most of their free time. I should mention that I think I'm one of those easily replaceable players. I was in a #1 guild on live, but it was only because I was a reliable cleric.

I think that it's always bothered me to be associated with the server bullies. It wasn't uncommon for us to kill things just to thwart other guilds. We farmed Maestro long after there was nothing we needed and deleted the loot.

Now don't get me wrong. There are plenty of really decent folks in IB. It's just that the group mentality is dominated by disdain for the rest of the 3,000 or so people who play on Project 1999. There are also a handful of real sons of bitches in the guild--things like racism, homophobia and misogyny are present every day in guild chat and ventrilo.

I'm just not really about that kind of behavior as a person or as a player. I like to help other people. I believe that the success of humanity is based on our cooperation, not how ruthlessly we can compete. In less than a day since I was kicked out of IB, I'm feeling a great deal happier. When I first read your message, I wanted to say, "No, what I really wanted was for IB to read my message, feel ashamed of how poorly they treat the rest of the server and become a little bit nicer guild." But maybe you're right. Maybe I already knew that wasn't going to happen and the only way for me to return to the kind of balance that's important to me was to get kicked out.

[Sigmastorm]

IB is trash and so are you Alawen, how it has taken you one year and a guild kick to realize that is beyond my imagination.

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We farmed Maestro long after there was nothing we needed and deleted the loot.

That's not entirely true, you farmed maestro because you're a bunch of sad pathetic worthless nobodies with nothing better to spend their time on.

If I was a admin, I would have banned and deleted every member of IB a long time ago. It's a win/win situation for everone, sadly someone is lacking a pair of balls.