Sirken's proposal - Page 11

Rhambuk · #**101** 01-03-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're giving concessions they don't have to.

you make them sound generous and that casuals should be on the ground licking their boots.

Alarti0001 · #**102** 01-03-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So PLEASE explain to me again how you'd like to punish casual guilds for adhering to the rules, being good citizens, and saying we refused to "compete." It's an asinine argument. We refused to stoop as low as TMO and FE therefore we (the casuals) just don't care enough. That's bullshit, and every single person on this server knows it's bullshit.

You want to wall off targets for yourselves then do so on the merit of the casuals being unable to kill said targets, oh wait the encounters are fucking easy but your sense of entitlement after months of shitting all over each other has made you blind to the rest of the server.

Fuck you, fuck all this rhetoric. It's a goddamn game and you're a bunch of grown ass children who don't know how to share. It's pathetic. I'm done posting in troll chat. If you want to fucking talk about some proposals you can post there.

Your argument would have merit if you competed and then weren't involved in training etc. You didn't even show up. Likely if you did you would have been called out many times just due to inexperience or ineptitude.

How are casuals being punished? Can you really speak to a sense of entitlement?

Your attitude is not at all conducive to a healthy raid scene.

Daldaen · #**103** 01-03-2014, 04:14 PM

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What you are looking for is instanced raiding. Every single game from World of Warcraft onward offers that experience. Everquest is not instanced, therefore work is required in order to experience all of the content.

What I'm looking for, is Velious.

Mezzmur · #**104** 01-03-2014, 04:14 PM

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In case everyone forgot, the casual guilds REFUSED to pull every dirty trick in the book to get those targets. We refused to DA stall tank, "accidentally" train, leapfrog, FTE snipe, rules lawyer, manipulate logs, ninja loot, buy up hundreds of accounts, etc etc

So PLEASE explain to me again how you'd like to punish casual guilds for adhering to the rules, being good citizens, and saying we refused to "compete." It's an asinine argument. We refused to stoop as low as TMO and FE therefore we (the casuals) just don't care enough. That's bullshit, and every single person on this server knows it's bullshit.

You want to wall off targets for yourselves then do so on the merit of the casuals being unable to kill said targets, oh wait the encounters are fucking easy but your sense of entitlement after months of shitting all over each other has made you blind to the rest of the server.

Fuck you, fuck all this rhetoric. It's a goddamn game and you're a bunch of grown ass children who don't know how to share. It's pathetic. I'm done posting in troll chat. If you want to fucking talk about some proposals you can post there.

I'd like to hear your feedback on the Sirken Hybrid. Ignore the trolls. Seriously, I don't see how it's unfair.

I realize you feel punish, but this isn't about the past, this is about now and moving forward.

Rhambuk · #**105** 01-03-2014, 04:15 PM

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I, and I feel comfortably speaking for all the "hardcore players", hate variance more than you will ever understand. No one enjoys spending that much time tracking. No one enjoys waking up at 3AM to raid.

But, I (and again most "hardcore players") DO enjoy raiding and killing the mobs. If this is the name of the game, then I will put my best foot forward to win.

I know you didn't ask for the variance and it just pushed you to do ridiculous things, but its because you do those ridiculous things that the variance doesn't work.

Galelor · #**106** 01-03-2014, 04:16 PM

I have read pretty much all the arguments related to the needs/wants/ideas surrounding casuals, hard cores, instances, variance, FTE, etc. Everyone has valid points, and we all want to enjoy what we love about EQ.

The only way to make everyone happy: Just leave everything close to the way it is now with some minor changes to clear up the training and also make each raid mob have an instance with a 2 week lockout timer that is guild wide and each instance only lasts 2 hours. Hard core guilds can still race for spawns and casual guilds can still get to kill content with their guild. Hard core guilds reap the rewards of 2 spawns a month via instance + competition and the casuals will actually get to raid without getting trained and shit talked to death. Everyone gets to play the game the way they enjoy it. The downside is that the Devs have to do a little work to get stuff set up and keep an eye out that instancing doesn't /pwn the server, and content is not classic in a very slight way yet it makes the game playable for everyone.

This might even push guilds into splitting up a little bit into more classic type guild sizes...

Just a thought.

Mezzmur · #**107** 01-03-2014, 04:16 PM

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For those late to the party.

Take TMO/FE Proposal that was originally posted with 7 day hands off, move that to 10, move Sirken's Mob list instead of TMO/FE's, ADD Sirken's PNP, Take TMO/FE No In-game Poopsock Rules. Tier 2 can have a rotation if they want, up to them. Tier 1 attacks Tier 2 on First 10 Days, Second 20 days Tier 1 on Tier 1....... YOU GET THIS:

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100% Fair to All, Tier 2 gets MORE mobs than Tier 1, and Tier 2 can attack Tier 1 mobs on the second 20 days. Someone decide rules on how you shift tier 1 and 2. If you don't like this idea you're donkers!

williestargell · #**108** 01-03-2014, 04:18 PM

70%+ of the server population has agreed to Rogeans (GM proposal) - why is this not over?

Fael · #**109** 01-03-2014, 04:19 PM

pras sirken.

Oh, and williestargell who said: "70%+ of the server population has agreed to Rogeans (GM proposal) - why is this not over?"

Rogean also said that he wants the server to agree. What would you say if the Staff gave you the choice between something like THIS proposal and going back to the way things were before? I would imagine that you would take this proposal gladly.

If staff put that as the ultimatum--put the bargaining power back where it should be as per Classic Everquest--then these negotiations would be over. The large guilds have given up more than anyone would have imagined, they can't go back on what they've offered. The only ones holding out now are the casuals who want more more more, and to destroy what makes Classic Everquest great.

Dolic

Bruman · #**110** 01-03-2014, 04:19 PM

Hey guys, Vanilla Gods and Kunark launch content are top tier, makes sense. Nevermind that they have epics (which is mostly resolved with planar revamps in Velious).

Seriously though - VP is top tier from a content perspective. That's it. After that it's about having a raid scene that lets both styles do their thing.

Tier 1 - VP and hardcore tracking/alting/socking/whatever, go nuts
Tier 2 - Probably a rotation (or close to it) with a time limit on engaging

Not to mention - everyone but FE is behind Rogean's plan. TMO was some smaller changes made, and that's it. This is really just a circle jerk of FE and Sirken and Deru.