Adjust game mechanics please!!!! - Page 3

Stasis01 · #21 01-03-2014, 12:42 PM

Did you not think dying in LS, coming back buffing your raid force and charging in SOLB was breaking LNS? Did you hear anything from GM'S?

I think they only intervened once it was over, and you guys were about to say fuck the rules and do what you always do.

Twainz · #22 01-03-2014, 12:43 PM

The rules aren't hard to follow if you have half a brain. If you think someone could possibly be on LnS, don't kill them... You are in a teamspeak with 40 people. Try using you mic to ask if that person is on LnS. OR you could use the classic method of the /tell command. Its really not hard to obey these rules. Stop griefing people to make yourself feel superior. Tune is online 23 hours a day and killed the same person multiple times on LnS last night. Are you telling me that he didn't deserve to be suspended for his malicious intent? You can't sit here and tell me killing nakeds is fun.

PS.

Jizzar, Tune and Spectre were all banned from GMs being online and watching, not petitionquest.

Kinamara · #23 01-03-2014, 01:02 PM

I don't think either of those accounts, Andis or anyone else should have been banned or suspended for killing players on a pvp server.

Sure, Jizzar had a mob or two hit him while he was killing a group. I mean, a warrior cannot really train. He can bring mobs that are still hitting him...If he had brought 20 mobs and just died at the group, that would be a train, and a warning should be issued.

What if the group was already fighting a mob when Jizzar arrived and they fought back, should they all be banned for training?

However a suspension or ban or whatever was used. Death penalty for overspeeding by 1 mph.

For unclear rules.

It's the same rule lawyering shit that happens when people are going crazy over a raid of 20 people bringing 1 ldc to a dragon fight and blaming the wipe on the 1 ldc. Sure it's not allowed but it's not game changing, not in advantage of the trainer as the mob will hit him, and most likely not intended.

Labanen · #24 01-03-2014, 01:07 PM

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I don't understand why you can't just say good fight and say see you next time

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I think we ll manage, good job on the opposition to man the fuck up and bring a fight

But thats all besides the point here. PnP by default is ok with me, but this isnt an ideal system yet, and tweaking makes sense to me.

rusty81 · #25 01-03-2014, 01:10 PM

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But thats all besides the point here. PnP by default is ok with me, but this isnt an ideal system yet, and tweaking makes sense to me.

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Twainz · #26 01-03-2014, 01:10 PM

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I don't think either of those accounts, Andis or anyone else should have been banned or suspended.

Sure, Jizzar had a mob or two hit him while he was killing a group. I mean, a warrior cannot really train. He can bring mobs that are still hitting him...If he had brought 20 mobs and just died at the group, that would be a train, and a warning should be issued.

What if the group was already fighting a mob when Jizzar arrived and they fought back, should they all be banned for training?

However a suspension or ban or whatever was used. Death penalty for overspeeding by 1 mph.

For unclear rules.

It's the same rule lawyering shit that happens when people are going crazy over a raid of 20 people bringing 1 ldc to a dragon fight and blaming the wipe on the 1 ldc. Sure it's not allowed but it's not game changing, not in advantage of the trainer as the mob will hit him, and most likely not intended.

Being that I was in the group I will tell you what happened.

Jizzar zoned in and agroed a few kobolds. He could of easily killed those kobolds but he didnt. He runs up to the entrance of Efreeti and sees a few imps. He could of easily killed those imps but didnt. Instead, he pulls the couple kobolds and couple imps to a group of sub 50s that had 3 mobs on them. We were killing our mobs and when he pulled the mobs up to us, we got social agro. Charm pet broke and the chanter started to go down, he got low hp agro from Jizzar and the charm pet and I healed him. Now our whole group has agro on all 7 mobs. Jizzar pops his disc and kills the chanter and now all the mobs are on my cleric which Jizzar then goes to crippling blow me to death. The point is, he didn't have to bring the mobs. No one that has half a brain would bring those mobs thinking it wouldn't train that group. If he really cared about PvPing us, he would of done that. Instead, he decided to bring PvE with him to assist him with PvPing us. Training is illegal anyway you look at it. If I agro a bat while running out, I don't sit at the zoneline waiting for them to get there while attacking you, I reset agro and comeback.

Labanen · #27 01-03-2014, 01:12 PM

if you look at the log file you can see the imps hitting and backstabbing jizzar until the end of the fight... hardly assisting him in doing so.

Kinamara · #28 01-03-2014, 01:14 PM

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Jizzar zoned in and agroed a few kobolds. He could of easily killed those kobolds but he didnt. He runs up to the entrance of Efreeti and sees a few imps. He could of easily killed those imps but didnt. Instead, he pulls the couple kobolds and couple imps to a group of sub 50s that had 3 mobs on them. We were killing our mobs and when he pulled the mobs up to us, we got social agro. Charm pet broke and the chanter started to go down, he got low hp agro from Jizzar and the charm pet and I healed him. Now our whole group has agro on all 7 mobs. Jizzar pops his disc and kills the chanter and now all the mobs are on my cleric which Jizzar then goes to crippling blow me to death. The point is, he didn't have to bring the mobs. No one that has half a brain would bring those mobs thinking it wouldn't train that group. If he really cared about PvPing us, he would of done that. Instead, he decided to bring PvE with him to assist him with PvPing us. Training is illegal anyway you look at it. If I agro a bat while running out, I don't sit at the zoneline waiting for them to get there while attacking you, I reset agro and comeback.

I was not there and don't know the exact details. I heard another version of the story. If it was as you just mentioned and you got agro for trying to save him from xp death, a penalty could be OK.

If you healed him to ensure you got agro of any mobs he had, so that you could petition him and get him suspended in order to hurt your competition, I think it is something you should be permanently banned for however. But we will never really know, will we?

This is why it's a gray area and I'd rather see something done about how the mechanics work than people losing their characters.

Twainz · #29 01-03-2014, 01:23 PM

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if you look at the log file you can see the imps hitting and backstabbing jizzar until the end of the fight... hardly assisting him in doing so.

When you are attacking a group of 50s in rags then only have maybe 1500hp buffed? 20% of 1500 = 300hp
300hp = 3-4 hits from one of those imps or 1-2 hits from Jizzar criping.

It only takes a split second for All those mobs to assist Jizzar on low hp targets and kill them. Why does a lvl 60 warrior in full BiS need to bring mobs with him in the first place? He could of easily killed those mobs then came to PvP right? The answer is he doesn't care. He got suspended and immediately started talking shit about the rules and how he doesn't care. You guild leader gives 0 fucks about anyone but the few people that suck his dick. Its funny after you guys lost the fight how many people sent me tells about how horrible Nihilum is at losing and how people's true feelings about one another come out. I'm glad you guys have fun winning together, lets see how strong your friendships are when they get tested.

Twainz · #30 01-03-2014, 01:24 PM

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I was not there and don't know the exact details. I heard another version of the story. If it was as you just mentioned and you got agro for trying to save him from xp death, a penalty could be OK.

If you healed him to ensure you got agro of any mobs he had, so that you could petition him and get him suspended in order to hurt your competition, I think it is something you should be permanently banned for however. But we will never really know, will we?

This is why it's a gray area and I'd rather see something done about how the mechanics work than people losing their characters.

I have one question for you. Is training legal?

If no, Nizzar should be banned for his 3rd train in the last 3 months.

If yes, unban Nizzar.