All Players are Raid Suspended Until Further Notice

[Brut]

Moreso arguing with this retarded idea in general where any guild willingly wanted this situation!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Moreso arguing with this retarded idea in general where any guild willingly wanted this situation!

I have seen multiple BDA/Taken/Div people come out in support of the raid suspension, including leadership.

The suspension hurts FE/TMO far far greater than the casuals who weren't raiding shit anyways.

There wont be an agreement with this situation basically because the staff and the casuals in effect put a gun to our heads and said "Agree on something". Nothing positive can come from negotiations under duress especially when one side assumes they "hold all the cards". TMO/FE have offered 2 very very very fair plans for casual guilds, and they wholly blocked them without compromise. This is largely because of the misguided actions of the staff who seem to think that 2 very disparate groups of people will ever come to some equally beneficial agreement.

In the end, FE/TMO will likely cave to some shitty agreement that is wholly unjustified for them just to keep attrition from killing their guilds.

[Elmarnieh]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have seen multiple BDA/Taken/Div people come out in support of the raid suspension, including leadership.

The suspension hurts FE/TMO far far greater than the casuals who weren't raiding shit anyways.

There wont be an agreement with this situation basically because the staff and the casuals in effect put a gun to our heads and said "Agree on something". Nothing positive can come from negotiations under duress especially when one side assumes they "hold all the cards". TMO/FE have offered 2 very very very fair plans for casual guilds, and they wholly blocked them without compromise. This is largely because of the misguided actions of the staff who seem to think that 2 very disparate groups of people will ever come to some equally beneficial agreement.

In the end, FE/TMO will likely cave to some shitty agreement that is wholly unjustified for them just to keep attrition from killing their guilds.

Neither of TMO / FE's plans were "fair" let alone "very very" so of course I disagree with GM's involving themselves in non-abusive player interaciton. If they didn't like how people responded to FTE rules and variance they shouldn't have implimented either.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Elmarnieh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neither of TMO / FE's plans were "fair" let alone "very very" so of course I disagree with GM's involving themselves in non-abusive player interaciton. If they didn't like how people responded to FTE rules and variance they shouldn't have implimented either.

How so? They were more than fair. TMO had everything to lose and casuals had everything to gain. They weren't equitable... and they shouldn't be. Fair... yep.

[Elmarnieh]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How so? They were more than fair. TMO had everything to lose and casuals had everything to gain. They weren't equitable... and they shouldn't be. Fair... yep.

Fair is, by its nature, a subjective consideration. I don't see them as fair and I have no issue with non-equitable solutions as more effort deserves more availability of rewards.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How so? They were more than fair. TMO had everything to lose and casuals had everything to gain. They weren't equitable... and they shouldn't be. Fair... yep.

To be fair they should just eliminate the problem. It's not at all fair to ask volunteer staff to babysit raiders because they cannot play nice with each other. Lay out the bans, clear the queues and help players instead of mediating raid disputes.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair they should just eliminate the problem. It's not at all fair to ask volunteer staff to babysit raiders because they cannot play nice with each other. Lay out the bans, clear the queues and help players instead of mediating raid disputes.

Need a clear definition of what the "problem" is though.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Need a clear definition of what the "problem" is though.

Your guild!

[Disillusion]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Need a clear definition of what the "problem" is though.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid Scene
It continues to be an aggravating realization among CSR staff that 10% of the server population causes 90% of the problems. We are all for competition, but it needs to be fair competition. We are also all here for the same thing, to experience classic Everquest. The same guild monopolizing raid content for 2 years that they might not even need anymore is ridiculous, just to block other guilds from the chance of gearing up to take on the same end game content...

[Elmarnieh]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair they should just eliminate the problem. It's not at all fair to ask volunteer staff to babysit raiders because they cannot play nice with each other. Lay out the bans, clear the queues and help players instead of mediating raid disputes.

Because raiders aren't players.