The Deru' Plan C discussion

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fine hitpoint. Develop some rules where competition isnt fte, fraps, and petitionquest and tier2 can agree. Otherwise any forced competition is the status quo.

It's not though. New TMO has already shown to be much more amicable than the old leadership. I have a lot of hope for the raid scene tbh, even with all this going on. I wouldn't be surprised if a guild council could actually police themselves at this point. Maybe I'm being too optimistic. We'll see.

[Tegellan]

We have 5000 people from all different timezones/ parts of the world.
The staff has asked everyone to come together and agree on how we should proceed with the raid scene.

I dont think you could get 10 people to agree nevermind 5000. Everyone naturally wants more then they "should" get.

At some point the GMS/Staff are going to have to step in and say "this is what we are doing" or the server will begin to shrink at a rapid pace when no one can raid and all the "good" camps are imposible to get. (the other day I ran to see if PS came was open.. there was a line of 3 people behind the person who was actually camping it)


I think a few things are obvious now.

1) GMs will have to step in and decide on what the raid scene will be
2) As soon as a decision is reached the population will drop (at least for now). If the rules favor the casual group. You will see a lot of the top guilds leave the game or at least the bulk of the members. If they favor the raiders you will see a few casual players leave (altho not a lot as they played when they were getting 0 mobs).. eitherway 1 or all sides will feel they got screwed.


As much as I am sure the intentions were good and I think Sirken and the GM staff have done a great job (far better then I ever could). I personally believe putting this on the player base was a bad idea. People on both sides will hold the server hostage now. The Casual players have the mindset of "we were not doing much raids before so we can hold out longer then those that were raiding" and the Hardcores have the mindset of "We can sit at our computer for hours on end tracking.. we certainly have the drive/willpower to hold out as long as needed.

Neither side is going to budge.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Tegellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have 5000 people from all different timezones/ parts of the world.
The staff has asked everyone to come together and agree on how we should proceed with the raid scene.

I dont think you could get 10 people to agree nevermind 5000. Everyone naturally wants more then they "should" get.

At some point the GMS/Staff are going to have to step in and say "this is what we are doing" or the server will begin to shrink at a rapid pace when no one can raid and all the "good" camps are imposible to get. (the other day I ran to see if PS came was open.. there was a line of 3 people behind the person who was actually camping it)


I think a few things are obvious now.

1) GMs will have to step in and decide on what the raid scene will be
2) As soon as a decision is reached the population will drop (at least for now). If the rules favor the casual group. You will see a lot of the top guilds leave the game or at least the bulk of the members. If they favor the raiders you will see a few casual players leave (altho not a lot as they played when they were getting 0 mobs).. eitherway 1 or all sides will feel they got screwed.


As much as I am sure the intentions were good and I think Sirken and the GM staff have done a great job (far better then I ever could). I personally believe putting this on the player base was a bad idea. People on both sides will hold the server hostage now. The Casual players have the mindset of "we were not doing much raids before so we can hold out longer then those that were raiding" and the Hardcores have the mindset of "We can sit at our computer for hours on end tracking.. we certainly have the drive/willpower to hold out as long as needed.

Neither side is going to budge.

Jesus u nailed it finnaly someone who understand both sides

[Tycko]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not though. New TMO has already shown to be much more amicable than the old leadership. I have a lot of hope for the raid scene tbh, even with all this going on. I wouldn't be surprised if a guild council could actually police themselves at this point. Maybe I'm being too optimistic. We'll see.

news flash, the same people running tmo the last 6-12 months are the same ones reforming it.

the root cause of this entire cluster f___ has yet to be identified and fixed.

edit: Oh yeah, and happy new year