OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I"ll be honest. It looks like Taken and BDA and whoever else are simply trying to squeeze more out of this situation because the GMs gave you the power to do so. Your right, raid suspension hurts the big guilds more. And yes, GMs want a unanimous agreement from all guilds.

Let's imagine that we weren't threatened with a raid suspension and this current proposal was posted. People would go fucking INSANE for it. Big guilds said they are willing to give up tons of targets every month, including 1/4th of the ones they want the most. Guilds that were previously getting nothing, can get multiple targets weekly. They can set up a rotation between themselves if they don't want to do any work. That's left up to them. And still allowed to compete with the top guilds if they choose to. Nothing even close to this has ever been on the table. It would be accepted without a second thought, there would be no holding out for MORE. Want some inside info? This agreement was drafted and posted on our boards for review a day before Sirken's threat. Our officers didn't come up with this because they had the threat of a suspension looming. They actually wanted to make the raid scene better. And you all shit on it like this, just because you can.

I've got an idea. TMO perma-banned from all non-VP content. If they want an epic for a 4th alt, they can buy it from A-Team.

[Lammy]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've got an idea. TMO perma-banned from all non-VP content. If they want an epic for a 4th alt, they can buy it from A-Team.

Winga, when you first started in these negotiation threads I thought perhaps you were a rational, free thinker. Now i'm just convinced that you're either A. a misinformed lemming or B. a retard.

TMO has plenty of raiding mains that still need their epics, as well as gear from open world raid mobs. That is first hand FACT, not assumption or hearsay.

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Winga, when you first started in these negotiation threads I thought perhaps you were a rational, free thinker. Now i'm just convinced that you're either A. a misinformed lemming or B. a retard.

TMO has plenty of raiding mains that still need their epics, as well as gear from open world raid mobs. That is first hand FACT, not assumption or hearsay.

Plenty? What's the waiting list like? Why are you selling epics and epic pieces for most classes? How can you have a similar number of players as each of FE, Taken, BDA, etc., have gotten near exclusive rights to epic drops for 2 years, and still act like you desperately need raid loot? If you've got 2 mains per class that need epic drops and other guilds have 10 mains per class that need epic drops, even if your guild is getting drops at the same rate as the other guild, an individual in your guild is getting it 5x faster.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Winga, when you first started in these negotiation threads I thought perhaps you were a rational, free thinker. Now i'm just convinced that you're either A. a misinformed lemming or B. a retard.

TMO has plenty of raiding mains that still need their epics, as well as gear from open world raid mobs. That is first hand FACT, not assumption or hearsay.

I would be shocked if even 10% of TMO raiding mains still need their epics. For kicks, I went to the TMO page and sorted by name.

Aalamar: yes
Aalpha: yes
Alarti: yes
Alde: no idea
Ascention: yes
Atmas: yes
Baxter: yes
Benjaman: recruit with 9 dkp
Bialar: yes
Biggslick: yes
Bitie: rogue so he fucking better have one
Butchh: yes
Carrina: recruit
Catterine: only 95% sure but putting her down as yes
Cecily: yes
Chief: yes
Citizen: shaman, so . . yeah
Cyryllis: yes
Darkdeath: yes
Deathproof: yes

And after 20 names I got tired. 17/20 confirmed to have epics, and two of those remaining are recruits. And probably Alde (the 5%!) has one or at least some VP weapons. So I'm thinking that isn't so great for your argument there Fabben . . . and then I realized . . . I bet *you* don't have your epic! Cause Taken has been socking Inny hard lately and the earth staff is pretty rare. And now its obvious why you are taking the positions you do.

P.S. That being said, Winga's position is silly because it would never allow TMO to recruit anyone new.

[Lammy]

Sometimes i think you get carried away for the sake of arguing. Did you not read the portion of my post where it clearly states that I know first hand some people need epics? That would be referencing myself. I do not have an epic on my mage, and haven't found it necessary to gripe about it either in guild, in game, or publicly. Hats off to 'Taken' for their dedication on monopolizing inny.

I could name many mains still needing epics in our guild and my argument is more so in their defense than for me selfishly. I've come to terms with my mage epic happening with velious revamps, just like everyone else not willing to put forth the effort should be.

How about them apples Loraen? My TMO tagged main (and other mains) doesn't have an epic because its cockblocked by another guilds efforts and I'm still willing to advocate that it should be effort=reward.

Just for the record to discredit your statistics... alde does not wield his epic.

I love how the argument of 4th alt needing epics instantly transforms into now "well the majority of your mains have it." So the argument is still valid. Heh. Does tmo sell raid drops? Sure they do, because excess items are a result of farming to get the drops we do need. Unfotunately we don't get to pick what the dragon drops each time.

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would be shocked if even 10% of TMO raiding mains still need their epics. For kicks, I went to the TMO page and sorted by name.

Aalamar: yes
Aalpha: yes
Alarti: yes
Alde: no idea
Ascention: yes
Atmas: yes
Baxter: yes
Benjaman: recruit with 9 dkp
Bialar: yes
Biggslick: yes
Bitie: rogue so he fucking better have one
Butchh: yes
Carrina: recruit
Catterine: only 95% sure but putting her down as yes
Cecily: yes
Chief: yes
Citizen: shaman, so . . yeah
Cyryllis: yes
Darkdeath: yes
Deathproof: yes

And after 20 names I got tired. 17/20 confirmed to have epics, and two of those remaining are recruits. And probably Alde (the 5%!) has one or at least some VP weapons. So I'm thinking that isn't so great for your argument there Fabben . . . and then I realized . . . I bet *you* don't have your epic! Cause Taken has been socking Inny hard lately and the earth staff is pretty rare. And now its obvious why you are taking the positions you do.

P.S. That being said, Winga's position is silly because it would never allow TMO to recruit anyone new.