Bandwagon Proposal Thread.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, but how complicated does this really need to be?

What is so complicated about this when Alarti can throw together a paragraph in I would guess less than an hour? Especially when I think its just going to be a full rotation calendar when things like member attendence from casual guilds/# of current VP keys are a huge issue.

A weekly calendar can be made and voted on by heads from each guild, especially based on their current and most deserving members' epic quest completion. I'm not completely against that.

But you guys also need to get after Rogean or the devs here to remove variance outside VP/Trak. It creates artificial delays (esp if you think long term # of mobs that will spawn per year as a result) that are totally unnecessary in a calendar/"guaranteed you get it" system.

Again, it's got to be complicated because look at the basic backlash of a "simple" solution that was put together in 5 minutes.

Getting so many different people to come to a compromise no one likes but everyone can live with is a difficult negotiation process. When you have 5 or 6 independent bodies discussing a solution to a problem from either end of the spectrum it takes time and deliberation.

I'm not trying to put down your idea, I'm just letting you know your guild as well as mine are working on a solution, and it will be what it is. No one knows what the final solution is going to look like yet, but things are progressing and something will come out of all of this.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, it's got to be complicated because look at the basic backlash of a "simple" solution that was put together in 5 minutes.

Getting so many different people to come to a compromise no one likes but everyone can live with is a difficult negotiation process. When you have 5 or 6 independent bodies discussing a solution to a problem from either end of the spectrum it takes time and deliberation.

I'm not trying to put down your idea, I'm just letting you know your guild as well as mine are working on a solution, and it will be what it is. No one knows what the final solution is going to look like yet, but things are progressing and something will come out of all of this.

Backlash is to be expected. What I hope people realize is this is a compromise and as such they must be willing to negotiate. I was offering up 22 raid mobs a month for free. That is a significant loss to TMO's or FE/IB's raid totals. Actually its a huge fucking loss. I would expect other guilds to recognize that and realize what they are getting even if its not everything they want. Only children demand everything they want.
"mine! MINE MINE !"

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Backlash is to be expected. What I hope people realize is this is a compromise and as such they must be willing to negotiate. I was offering up 22 raid mobs a month for free. That is a significant loss to TMO's or FE/IB's raid totals. Actually its a huge fucking loss. I would expect other guilds to recognize that and realize what they are getting even if its not everything they want. Only children demand everything they want.
"mine! MINE MINE !"

Alarti, what in any of my posts has eluded to me or any casual guild demanding everything?

Every single time I've tried to get you guys to understand what's going on I've explained it as a deliberation between the leadership of many guilds deciding on what everyone can live with, but what no one loved.

Please stop trying to portray myself and the rest of the casual guilds as children when I'm the one trying to talk to you as an adult, unless you would prefer me to discuss it like a child with you?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti, what in any of my posts has eluded to me or any casual guild demanding everything?

Every single time I've tried to get you guys to understand what's going on I've explained it as a deliberation between the leadership of many guilds deciding on what everyone can live with, but what no one loved.

Please stop trying to portray myself and the rest of the casual guilds as children when I'm the one trying to talk to you as an adult, unless you would prefer me to discuss it like a child with you?

Just cause I quote you doesn't mean all of my post is directed at you.