Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

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Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure - I'd like the point system to only apply sometimes. Really I don't want points at all. I'd like to see the hardcores fight it out a fraction of the time and the nonhardcores rotate it or point it out the other fraction of the time with a provision for the hardcores getting it should whatever be left up for too long.

Would you care to tweak my system?

Not an exact system that I want to see. It really does have to be laid out for all. Please continue with full proposal.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not an exact system that I want to see. It really does have to be laid out for all. Please continue with full proposal.

I'd hate to butt into the affairs of the nonhardcores and try to dictate how they split up their share. As far as the size of the fractions, that much is up for discussion. There's really not much else than that aside from disallowing people from flipping between the hardcore and nonhardcore pools.

If you want exact figures, I'll have to get back to you after garnering input from my fellow guildmates.

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Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd hate to butt into the affairs of the nonhardcores and try to dictate how they split up their share. As far as the size of the fractions, that much is up for discussion. There's really not much else than that aside from disallowing people from flipping between the hardcore and nonhardcore pools.

If you want exact figures, I'll have to get back to you after garnering input from my fellow guildmates.

Sure, bounce it off your buddies. As it stands, I don't think most guilds outside FE/IB and TMO are going for a Trak/VS/CT FFA as it impedes epic and VP progress in the worst way at this point. There has to be a line drawn where the 'hardcores' stop for a second and the 'casuals' get a slice of that pie, and I hope you'll consider that. Also consider, BDA has a force ready in VP since the FFA-train-all-day days are over and will be using points/shares/whatever on that as well.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There has to be a line drawn where the 'hardcores' stop for a second and the 'casuals' get a slice of that pie, and I hope you'll consider that.

That's exactly what I was suggesting - I thought it was obvious.

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also consider, BDA has a force ready in VP since the FFA-train-all-day days are over and will be using points/shares/whatever on that as well.

Especially considering that only 3 or 4 guilds are keyed for VP, and the fact that VP is the end-all Kunark raid zone, I don't realistically see there being a provision for rotation/points on VP mobs. Come race imo - I don't think competing on just VP should exclude you from being in the nonhardcore pool otherwise if that's what you want.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's exactly what I was suggesting - I thought it was obvious.



Especially considering that only 3 or 4 guilds are keyed for VP, and the fact that VP is the end-all Kunark raid zone, I don't realistically see there being a provision for rotation/points on VP mobs. Come race imo - I don't think competing on just VP should exclude you from being in the nonhardcore pool otherwise if that's what you want.

Sorry man, I don't remember seeing a clear post on what you're getting at.

Not asking for a rotation on VP mobs but a SLIGHT point cost to SOMEWHAT deter VP capable guilds that kill those dragons from competing on _some level_ with the rest of the server on mobs that they want to kill. These guilds have access to 50% more dragons than non VP capable guilds and it should show in at least some way. I know a complete FFA VP has been advocated, but we think VP kills should definitely be weighed to some degree. My constituents think it should be weighed WAY more heavily than I do, but I just want to see it as some sort of deterrent to stop the slaying of maybe 1 or 2 mobs a month.

Jeremy, I think we can be on the same page with some work.