Raid guild agreement so far?

[Drob]

Originally Posted by MaksimMazor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cry moar

This guy should be TMO's guild spokesman.

[Ella`Ella]

The classic experience and sentiment amongst the raiding guilds is that competition is welcomed and will continue to be embraced. To the extent that we're trampling every other guild for certain targets; the behavior will be curbed for the better. Some mobs will remain heavily contested, however guilds willing enough and able to contest them with the high-end raid guilds will be welcomed.

[karanastorm]

Originally Posted by Toobit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree 100%... That having been said.. I don't believe for a second that TMO is or was responsible for the miserable feel of the server prior to the last couple days..

What shitted up the server was the mechanics, and the culture.. of the high-end raiding game... and that existed long before TMO became the top raid-guild. TMO simply excelled within the culture that was presented to them.

It is naïve to say that TMO is just a bunch of pricks... I doubt that there are many long-time players that don't have a friend or two.. or more... in TMO...

It's very easy to point fingers, and pass judgement... but a lot of the lesser guilds were guilty of doing the very things that they deemed diabolical TMO tactics... perhaps in a smaller venue..

<Takes a breath>

So.. What I'm trying to say is... Perhaps it wasn't the TMO debacle of recent days that improved the server... maybe its just that the TMO debacle forced the GM's... the big guilds... and the population at-large.. .. to take a look at wtf we are all doing here..

Wrong wrong wrong. TMO was the exact reason for the poor raid scene on P99 and they were the direct result of all the major issues today. As stated by the staff, "It continues to be an aggravating realization among CSR staff that 10% of the server population causes 90% of the problems. We are all for competition, but it needs to be fair competition. We are also all here for the same thing, to experience classic Everquest. The same guild monopolizing raid content for 2 years that they might not even need anymore is ridiculous, just to block other guilds from the chance of gearing up to take on the same end game content."

That said I find it hard to believe a Taken member would look so kindly toward TMO, when you guys got shit on many times by TMO and IB/FE for that matter because IB/FE were all being dicks indirectly because of TMO shenanigans.

TMO monopolizes raid content end of story. You can't defend that or them. If you do then I feel bad for you as a member of Taken guild.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The classic experience and sentiment amongst the raiding guilds is that competition is welcomed and will continue to be embraced. To the extent that we're trampling every other guild for certain targets; the behavior will be curbed for the better. Some mobs will remain heavily contested, however guilds willing enough and able to contest them with the high-end raid guilds will be welcomed.

[goshozal]

Originally Posted by karanastorm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong wrong wrong. TMO was the exact reason for the poor raid scene on P99 and they were the direct result of all the major issues today. As stated by the staff, "It continues to be an aggravating realization among CSR staff that 10% of the server population causes 90% of the problems. We are all for competition, but it needs to be fair competition. We are also all here for the same thing, to experience classic Everquest. The same guild monopolizing raid content for 2 years that they might not even need anymore is ridiculous, just to block other guilds from the chance of gearing up to take on the same end game content."

That said I find it hard to believe a Taken member would look so kindly toward TMO, when you guys got shit on many times by TMO and IB/FE for that matter because IB/FE were all being dicks indirectly because of TMO shenanigans.

TMO monopolizes raid content end of story. You can't defend that or them. If you do then I feel bad for you as a member of Taken guild.

Join date: October 2013.

I'm not somebody who was here on day one, but you are just adorable.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Writ3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taken has directly benefited from TMO's dominance for a number of their members so obviously you are misinformed overall. Look at how many "difficult" epics they have, vp/trak/VS geared characters, etc. while not doing that content themselves. Some were free handouts others were purchased like the majority of the other guilds/players who weren't in TMO... but Taken's arrangement was different than everyone else's for awhile.

For instance i believe there is still a thread floating around that has Taken members on TMO's DKP in order to get gear directly whereas other guilds can't say the same.

Please tell us all the difficult epics we have: 0 necro, 1 SK(that app'd a month ago), 0 Druids, 2 bard(1 bought, 1 from a old returning new app), 0 mage, 0 wizard.....So tell me again all the hard epics we have...4 VP keyed players...yeah thats tons....Oh i have trak BP i must have gotten it from TMO(wrong)....Can i see some Taken on TMO dkp cause no taken raids with TMO or has in the last 6 months.... Anything else you have to say? I know at 1 point this was friendly relations with TMO by Taken but that was before my time so i dont know full details but i know that it ended as fast as it came about..Due to TMO recent and no so recent actions we don't have any buddy-buddy arrangements with TMO.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by karanastorm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong wrong wrong. TMO was the exact reason for the poor raid scene on P99 and they were the direct result of all the major issues today. As stated by the staff, "It continues to be an aggravating realization among CSR staff that 10% of the server population causes 90% of the problems. We are all for competition, but it needs to be fair competition. We are also all here for the same thing, to experience classic Everquest. The same guild monopolizing raid content for 2 years that they might not even need anymore is ridiculous, just to block other guilds from the chance of gearing up to take on the same end game content."

That said I find it hard to believe a Taken member would look so kindly toward TMO, when you guys got shit on many times by TMO and IB/FE for that matter because IB/FE were all being dicks indirectly because of TMO shenanigans.

TMO monopolizes raid content end of story. You can't defend that or them. If you do then I feel bad for you as a member of Taken guild.

Let me refer you to our PR representative.

Originally Posted by MaksimMazor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cry moar

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me refer you to our PR representative.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xna...rbo_videogames

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Writ3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you yourself mentioned... so shut up scrub

If you don't know then don't comment, read my post again it is pretty self explanatory

I read what you wrote. Tell me all the hard epics we have and all these VP keyed toons you talking about? You make it sound like we have epics out the ass and half our raid force is vp keyed which its not. They got assistance from TMO a few times and as i stated currently and for atleast the last 6 months we have not had any assistance from TMO. Keep stiring the pot though cause everyone here believe you i'm sure.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by karanastorm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong wrong wrong. TMO was the exact reason for the poor raid scene on P99 and they were the direct result of all the major issues today.

TMO has certainly contributed to the lolbad that's been going on, but the text you are quoting is, in my opinion, being taken out of context.

"As stated by the staff, "It continues to be an aggravating realization among CSR staff that 10% of the server population causes 90% of the problems. We are all for competition, but it needs to be fair competition. We are ALSO all here for the same thing, to experience classic Everquest. The same guild monopolizing raid content for 2 years that they might not even need anymore is ridiculous, just to block other guilds from the chance of gearing up to take on the same end game content."

The "also" indicates, to me, two issues. The 90% of the problems is referring to the constant comPETITION between TMO and FE. Constantly reviewing fraps and checking trains was a huge timesink on the GMs, and I think that sentence is saying "stop being buttholes to eachother while raiding." The second issue is that of monopolization. I do not think the intent was to say TMO is directly responsible for all of the world's problems, but to acknowledge certain problems and the roles we all play in them.

TMO has certainly sinned, but let's a deep breath before we pull out the guillotine. The Treaty of Versailles did not work then, and it's not a good idea now.