Lol, this isn't going to change anything.

[Nirgon]

You guys were so close to just admitting you agree with each other.

Then it turns into this "who struck John?" bullshit that stagnates anything being resolved between players! Or worse, being friendly enough to each other to work our mob on things you can both agree have been over farmed by one guild.

I hope at some point I exposed the problems here: getting along A LITTLE, realizing the nature of the EQ world/limited number of spawns, lack of Velious, and looking at problems objectively.

On this last point, when both parties do that, at least you can start coming to an agreement on a present problem. From there you can work on it. Bringing up who should be banned for what but who also did it too and smearing each other gets you nowhere (and the OP is right, nothing will ever change then). Maybe that's what Rogean is talking about when he says he's sick of the raiding guilds attitudes here (he did use the plural). Try to be men about this shit and work things out.

It really is funny to see how close 3 pages ago you were to putting down the "lol scum got banned" or "no you are scum" shit and making real progress.

Back to "you guys RMT'd" , "no you did".

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then it turns into this "who struck John?" bullshit that stagnates anything being resolved between players! Or worse, being friendly enough to each other to work on things like mobs you can all agree have been over farmed by one guild for too long.

^ I need the holidays so bad. My brain, fml.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys were so close to just admitting you agree with each other.

Then it turns into this "who struck John?" bullshit that stagnates anything being resolved between players! Or worse, being friendly enough to each other to work our mob on things you can both agree have been over farmed by one guild.

I hope at some point I exposed the problems here: getting along A LITTLE, realizing the nature of the EQ world/limited number of spawns, lack of Velious, and looking at problems objectively.

On this last point, when both parties do that, at least you can start coming to an agreement on a present problem. From there you can work on it. Bringing up who should be banned for what but who also did it too and smearing each other gets you nowhere (and the OP is right, nothing will ever change then). Maybe that's what Rogean is talking about when he says he's sick of the raiding guilds attitudes here (he did use the plural). Try to be men about this shit and work things out.

It really is funny to see how close 3 pages ago you were to putting down the "lol scum got banned" or "no you are scum" shit and making real progress.

Back to "you guys RMT'd" , "no you did".

It takes two.
The problem is belief. Belief can become self-assuring touchstones. When people drift to far from what they "know" to be true they must violent reject new information as impossible. I don't really think people in TMO believe that FE/IB are actually the scum of the universe or that everyone there cheats/rmt's. I'm sure we might have a couple who invest entirely too much into Reynold's stock but for the vast majority we understand that RMT/cheating will happen anywhere.

I can't say whether the same can be said about other guilds' leaders and their beliefs.

Not pointing fingers, but everyone who reads RnF objectively(all 3 of you) look in your guild chat... everytime TMO is mentioned is cheating/rmting/hacking/douchebag the first thing mentioned? If so I'd say you have the problem... not us. RnF is RnF what goes on here is just bullshit for kicks and giggles and a fair amount of boredom.

TMO guild chat is not rife with bitching about FE/IB/BDA/Whoever. TMO isn't protesting other guilds cheatin/training etc by not rezzing/buffing/porting you. If this is your guild's or your personal opinion, you might need to examine what YOU can do to help.

Hate is a choice.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO guild chat is not rife with bitching about FE/IB/BDA/Whoever. TMO isn't protesting other guilds cheatin/training etc by not rezzing/buffing/porting you. If this is your guild's or your personal opinion, you might need to examine what YOU can do to help.

Hate is a choice.

Look, I get this, but at the same time Eccezan should stop starting all of those 'your tears are delicious' threads.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, I get this, but at the same time Eccezan should stop starting all of those 'your tears are delicious' threads.

He should.

People should also show a little more respect for them too.

Reading ooc/shout before, during and after a raid mob spawns is the best indicator of why this stuff ends up on the forums.

The Draco "2x BCG" shit is a prime example.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, I get this, but at the same time Eccezan should stop starting all of those 'your tears are delicious' threads.

People should stop using racist/sexist and anti LBGTQ speech against others too.
Also, Eccezan's threads are so terrible if anyone reads them it is because they are actively seeking to be trolled, or to troll.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People should stop using racist/sexist and anti LBGTQ speech against others too.
Also, Eccezan's threads are so terrible if anyone reads them it is because they are actively seeking to be trolled, or to troll.

Stop being a faggot and maybe people won't call you one.

Faggot.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It takes two.
The problem is belief. Belief can become self-assuring touchstones. When people drift to far from what they "know" to be true they must violent reject new information as impossible. I don't really think people in TMO believe that FE/IB are actually the scum of the universe or that everyone there cheats/rmt's. I'm sure we might have a couple who invest entirely too much into Reynold's stock but for the vast majority we understand that RMT/cheating will happen anywhere.

I can't say whether the same can be said about other guilds' leaders and their beliefs.

Not pointing fingers, but everyone who reads RnF objectively(all 3 of you) look in your guild chat... everytime TMO is mentioned is cheating/rmting/hacking/douchebag the first thing mentioned? If so I'd say you have the problem... not us. RnF is RnF what goes on here is just bullshit for kicks and giggles and a fair amount of boredom.

TMO guild chat is not rife with bitching about FE/IB/BDA/Whoever. TMO isn't protesting other guilds cheatin/training etc by not rezzing/buffing/porting you. If this is your guild's or your personal opinion, you might need to examine what YOU can do to help.

Hate is a choice.

Good post Alarti. I mean, fuck you, die! this is rnf~!

[ssfarmer]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO guild chat is not rife with bitching about FE/IB/BDA/Whoever. TMO isn't protesting other guilds cheatin/training etc by not rezzing/buffing/porting you. If this is your guild's or your personal opinion, you might need to examine what YOU can do to help.

Hate is a choice.

This i find hilarious..... half of your guild does this on a daily basis ..... u guys hand out 0% rezzes, offer to drag corpses and then leave them in fucked up places, pay you for a port somewhere and then have been ported to hate/tox and left there, etc etc etc

These are reasons just as much as your guy's attitude / tactics in the raid scene are why you guys have such a bad reputation. I mean some of the people in TMO are nice, i have friends in the guild, but the majority of the guild are just assholes plain and simple and this behavior seems to be encouraged by the leadership (or at the very least ignored which is equivalent to supporting it)

[Prismaticshop]

Originally Posted by ssfarmer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This i find hilarious..... half of your guild does this on a daily basis ..... u guys hand out 0% rezzes, offer to drag corpses and then leave them in fucked up places, pay you for a port somewhere and then have been ported to hate/tox and left there, etc etc etc

These are reasons just as much as your guy's attitude / tactics in the raid scene are why you guys have such a bad reputation. I mean some of the people in TMO are nice, i have friends in the guild, but the majority of the guild are just assholes plain and simple and this behavior seems to be encouraged by the leadership (or at the very least ignored which is equivalent to supporting it)

Shitting on other people whilst zerging VP down to either "get VP loot on my 6th alt" or simply destroy it was all people like him or eccezan or jeremy had.

Now they are down to sit on the ruins of their former glory, whilst everyone shits on them for the bunch of sociopaths that they were.

Alarti still posting are just the last farts of a corpse in a dead guild.

It's all they have left.