Raid Scene Poll

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I'm not nearly so concerned with going for an equitable distribution of mobs as I am about making the raid scene fun.

Poopsocking and huge tracking windows are simply not fun.

I agree fully. I think restricted repops are the best possible thing that casuals could have because it can be planned around, and the more competitive guilds will leave them alone to a large extent.

[heartbrand]

If only there was a server where people could compete for mobs based upon their skill and planning and not luck.

[Splorf22]

Merkk, I don't think you are quite seeing the issue. Suppose you are a new player and you want to get into the raid scene on P1999.

• You get to track. 17 targets x 2 days on average -> over 800 hours per week of sitting there watching linoleum peel.
• You must join a huge guild. Not only must the tracking be distributed, but the targets can spawn 24/7, so you need to be worldwide so that you can field a decent sized force at all hours.
• You have to level/gear not just one character, but many. Mobs like Trakanon and Venril Sathir are simply impossible to get if you don't have a character camped on their spawn point.

Everyone shits on TMO because they kept farming and gearing up their 4th alts (and I can see where this is coming from) but the current raid mechanics gave them a huge incentive to do so.Basically everyone in this thread is voting for the options that will give them the most pixels. Unbrella thinks we don't need any changes because FE is build to compete under the current rules. He knows that after TMO comes back it'll basically be FE and TMO rotating targets. I don't hold that against him: everyone looks out for themselves and I look out for me. My point is: I don't care if The A-Team loses a ton of races AS LONG AS THAT COMPETITION IS BASICALLY FUN. What does that mean?:

• No tracking
• No poopsocking / massive camping of alts
• No FTE retardation with 200 people on the spawn

So how can we achieve this: simultaneous repops + reduced variance + people agreeing not to be retards about camping out characters.

/rant off.

[Elements]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Merkk, I don't think you are quite seeing the issue. Suppose you are a new player and you want to get into the raid scene on P1999.

• You get to track. 17 targets x 2 days on average -> over 800 hours per week of sitting there watching linoleum peel.
• You must join a huge guild. Not only must the tracking be distributed, but the targets can spawn 24/7, so you need to be worldwide so that you can field a decent sized force at all hours.
• You have to level/gear not just one character, but many. Mobs like Trakanon and Venril Sathir are simply impossible to get if you don't have a character camped on their spawn point.

Everyone shits on TMO because they kept farming and gearing up their 4th alts (and I can see where this is coming from) but the current raid mechanics gave them a huge incentive to do so.Basically everyone in this thread is voting for the options that will give them the most pixels. Unbrella thinks we don't need any changes because FE is build to compete under the current rules. He knows that after TMO comes back it'll basically be FE and TMO rotating targets. I don't hold that against him: everyone looks out for themselves and I look out for me. My point is: I don't care if The A-Team loses a ton of races AS LONG AS THAT COMPETITION IS BASICALLY FUN. What does that mean?:

• No tracking
• No poopsocking / massive camping of alts
• No FTE retardation with 200 people on the spawn

So how can we achieve this: simultaneous repops + reduced variance + people agreeing not to be retards about camping out characters.

/rant off.

I don't mind tracking. And have you ever gotten FTE amidst 100+ people? It feels like winning the freaking lottery. Fun IMO.

[kotton05]

But splorf, what I'm not gettin is how can that happen without a variance change?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But splorf, what I'm not gettin is how can that be for without a variance change?

Variance need not necessarily be changed because everyone's ideas are starting to focus on a single concept: predictable simulated patches. With simulated patches, the variance can be left as is if casuals are also given a fair system that is 1) predictable and accessible to them and 2) kept from the hardcore who already have a system that caters to them (variance).

Restricting repops to lesser non-competitive guilds opens content to them without taking anything away from the competitive community.

[kotton05]

Cause if variance was removed or halved, we could like all camp out in Kerra isle and race there cuz that'd b fun

[kotton05]

Like bi weekly repops?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But splorf, what I'm not gettin is how can that happen without a variance change?

It would require changes from the devs; no question.

Look I have nothing against the two hour rule. It's a very reasonable compromise given the circumstances and a great step forward towards making the endgame more pleasant for everyone concerned. I'm just saying that, to me personally and I suppose a pretty large number of more casual players, raiding on this server will never be fun as long as it requires huge amounts of tracking and poopsocking. And the two hour rule does nothing for that.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Elements [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't mind tracking. And have you ever gotten FTE amidst 100+ people? It feels like winning the freaking lottery. Fun IMO.

But you're in a guild that is built on tracking. That is simply not feasible for casuals, and that is why we are having this discussion. The goal here is to find a system that simultaneously satisfies raid guilds while allowing casuals a reasonable chance to experience raid content.