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Millburn · #1 12-21-2013, 12:57 AM

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Still no apology from anyone in TMO.

Atmas · #2 12-21-2013, 01:12 AM

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Page 55 Status Update

Still no apology from anyone in TMO.

So aside from the fact that 2 people did something and owe apologies to the rest of the guild as TMO was probably impacted more than anyone else by this, no apologies should be coming from people who did nothing.

Tasslehofp99 · #3 12-21-2013, 01:16 AM

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So aside from the fact that 2 people did something and owe apologies to the rest of the guild as TMO was probably impacted more than anyone else by this, no apologies should be coming from people who did nothing.

By being a part of such an inconsiderate and abusive guild who's actions have caused a major disturbance on the server many times, you are just as guilty as those actually committing the crimes. No TMO member can say they are unaware of their guild's foul actions as many people have provided proof of such unsavory behaviour in a number of different scenarios. This 2 week suspension is a very mild punishment for the amount of cheating/griefing TMO is responsible for.

kotton05 · #4 12-21-2013, 01:21 AM

They were just warm bodies drinking the juice tasslehof. Doing what they was told, being lied to, while I can't hold them in direct blame I do hold some underlying disgust towards a certain few for various reasons.

sanforce · #5 12-21-2013, 02:04 AM

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Your wish is my command.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCAln8j1kMk

Hahhhhhhhahh. Omg, I'm a TMO member, and I have to agree, you win today's forum quest by a long margin. I was laughing my ass off the entire time. Well played sir.

That being said, all of those expecting a formal TMO apology, get real. This was a tiny subset of our guild that cheated. TMO collectively had nothing to do with this. These assholes cheated, got caught, deservingly got perma-banned, and are dragging our guild name through the mud right now. The guild overall had nothing to do with this cheating. If others were part of it, they too would be logged, caught, and banned. Though formerly trusted members are gone, we are glad the cheaters got caught.

I'm wondering, why are y'all expecting a formal apology? The officers did not know what was going on. If they were part of the scheme, they would have been banned too. The GMs have clear logs of the events that transpired, which is why these two individuals got caught, banned, and immediately fessed up within our own forums. I wish they would post a formal apology on these forums for you all to circle jerk around, but that is probably not going to happen. The members had no part in this and no clue what was going on. If they did, they too would have been banned (and yes, I think perma-bans for these people was the perfect choice of action from the GMs).

When FE/IB clearly trained at trak last week and received a 5 day suspension, I never saw a single formal apology from the FE/IB leadership. They cried and said "oooohh no, TMO did it first, it was justified". It was a single member of the guild that stepped out of line, and the entire guild got punished.

Our entire guild is getting punished right now with a two week suspension, and numerous accounts being banned due to misplaced trust. This is all from the actions of two members, not the collective guild. Do we deserve a suspension? In my opinion, probably. But I know the majority of you agree that the answer is: Hell yea!

You are probably right. The few that step out of line can hurt the entire guild, just like we see in training/raid interference incidents. But, please, give me a break. I'm not going to step up and apologize for Froovy being a cheater. That is his own prerogative, if he wants to go there.

The guild is not in the wrong, but we have been punished for the actions of our members accordingly. Give it a rest on the request for an apology.

Troubled · #6 12-21-2013, 02:06 AM

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Again, completely ignoring the fact that the raid ban is because you are a cancer to the server. The duping bans were just a catalyst.

Millburn · #7 12-21-2013, 02:07 AM

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Hahhhhhhhahh. Omg, I'm a TMO member, and I have to agree, you win today's forum quest by a long margin. I was laughing my ass off the entire time. Well played sir.

That being said, all of those expecting a formal TMO apology, get real. This was a tiny subset of our guild that cheated. TMO collectively had nothing to do with this. These assholes cheated, got caught, deservingly got perma-banned, and are dragging our guild name through the mud right now. The guild overall had nothing to do with this cheating. If others were part of it, they too would be logged, caught, and banned. Though formerly trusted members are gone, we are glad the cheaters got caught.

I'm wondering, why are y'all expecting a formal apology? The officers did not know what was going on. If they were part of the scheme, they would have been banned too. The GMs have clear logs of the events that transpired, which is why these two individuals got caught, banned, and immediately fessed up within our own forums. I wish they would post a formal apology on these forums for you all to circle jerk around, but that is probably not going to happen. The members had no part in this and no clue what was going on. If they did, they too would have been banned (and yes, I think perma-bans for these people was the perfect choice of action from the GMs).

When FE/IB clearly trained at trak last week and received a 5 day suspension, I never saw a single formal apology from the FE/IB leadership. They cried and said "oooohh no, TMO did it first, it was justified". It was a single member of the guild that stepped out of line, and the entire guild got punished.

Our entire guild is getting punished right now with a two week suspension, and numerous accounts being banned due to misplaced trust. This is all from the actions of two members, not the collective guild. Do we deserve a suspension? In my opinion, probably. But I know the majority of you agree that the answer is: Hell yea!

You are probably right. The few that step out of line can hurt the entire guild, just like we see in training/raid interference incidents. But, please, give me a break. I'm not going to step up and apologize for Froovy being a cheater. That is his own prerogative, if he wants to go there.

The guild is not in the wrong, but we have been punished for the actions of our members accordingly. Give it a rest on the request for an apology.

There's always a caveat with you guys, if you're not going to get on your knees and beg forgiveness then shut up and ride the storm. It's not about the past and your predecessors, it's about what transpired in the present. Y'all were almost disbanded as a guild, shit is serious. Accept it, internalize it, and then start making amends with the server you all have shat on.

This is not just about exploits, re-read the whole post by Rogean. Time to start on a new path you guys.

Eccezan · #8 12-21-2013, 02:12 AM

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There's always a caveat with you guys, if you're not going to get on your knees and beg forgiveness then shut up and ride the storm. It's not about the past and your predecessors, it's about what transpired in the present. Y'all were almost disbanded as a guild, shit is serious. Accept it, internalize it, and then start making amends with the server you all have shat on.

This is not just about exploits, re-read the whole post by Rogean. Time to start on a new path you guys.

Oh high horse. Preach on, your history and expertise in the manner of all of this warrants that we all give a fuck!

I shall get right on that rereading...

Atmas · #9 12-21-2013, 02:24 AM

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There's always a caveat with you guys, if you're not going to get on your knees and beg forgiveness then shut up and ride the storm. It's not about the past and your predecessors, it's about what transpired in the present. Y'all were almost disbanded as a guild, shit is serious. Accept it, internalize it, and then start making amends with the server you all have shat on.

This is not just about exploits, re-read the whole post by Rogean. Time to start on a new path you guys.

I'm glad you actually made a post with some content.

Yes TMO is getting put on the cross for killing lots of mobs, and for the hardcore practices of campouts etc. that have been present for years. But does no one acknowledge the fact that the end game here is lke 5x more populated than it was on most live servers? By the time the game got as top heavy as this server is they had added instancing.

Shat on? Pffft. TMO as a guild at this point has invested more time in this server than any other guild and I hate to break it to you but that is by far and large legit time. The actions of a few people don't change that.

Daldolma · #10 12-21-2013, 02:17 AM

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Hahhhhhhhahh. Omg, I'm a TMO member, and I have to agree, you win today's forum quest by a long margin. I was laughing my ass off the entire time. Well played sir.

That being said, all of those expecting a formal TMO apology, get real. This was a tiny subset of our guild that cheated. TMO collectively had nothing to do with this. These assholes cheated, got caught, deservingly got perma-banned, and are dragging our guild name through the mud right now. The guild overall had nothing to do with this cheating. If others were part of it, they too would be logged, caught, and banned. Though formerly trusted members are gone, we are glad the cheaters got caught.

I'm wondering, why are y'all expecting a formal apology? The officers did not know what was going on. If they were part of the scheme, they would have been banned too. The GMs have clear logs of the events that transpired, which is why these two individuals got caught, banned, and immediately fessed up within our own forums. I wish they would post a formal apology on these forums for you all to circle jerk around, but that is probably not going to happen. The members had no part in this and no clue what was going on. If they did, they too would have been banned (and yes, I think perma-bans for these people was the perfect choice of action from the GMs).

When FE/IB clearly trained at trak last week and received a 5 day suspension, I never saw a single formal apology from the FE/IB leadership. They cried and said "oooohh no, TMO did it first, it was justified". It was a single member of the guild that stepped out of line, and the entire guild got punished.

Our entire guild is getting punished right now with a two week suspension, and numerous accounts being banned due to misplaced trust. This is all from the actions of two members, not the collective guild. Do we deserve a suspension? In my opinion, probably. But I know the majority of you agree that the answer is: Hell yea!

You are probably right. The few that step out of line can hurt the entire guild, just like we see in training/raid interference incidents. But, please, give me a break. I'm not going to step up and apologize for Froovy being a cheater. That is his own prerogative, if he wants to go there.

The guild is not in the wrong, but we have been punished for the actions of our members accordingly. Give it a rest on the request for an apology.

The fact that only two people were actually doing the duping doesn't mean that only two people knew about it / benefitted from it. Your entire guild has constructed a narrative that is as innocuous as possible given the facts. The facts are that two of your oldest, most active members were found to be systematically exploiting, and 86 accounts were linked to the cheating parties.

Whether other people knew or were involved is purely speculation with no factual underpinning. Whether the owners of some or all of those 86 accounts knew or were involved is pure guesswork. There was no reason to perform the dupe on more than one or two accounts. That doesn't make every other account clean.

This is why everyone is coming down on TMO. Because you're trying to spin this bullshit tale about how 84/86 accounts were innocent, and the habitual cheating was totally isolated to two members, who happened to be some of the most trusted and respected in your entire guild. You don't know that for a fact, so stop saying it. You have no idea. You trusted Froovy and Internode, and now you're willfully admitting they were cheaters. The fact that you trust the rest of your members and officers when they assure you they didn't know means nothing.

TMO is contaminated. Purge the linked accounts.