IB takes 80% of the loot, shares 50% of the raid suspension.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And Retus is absoutely not an officer. He just became full member like a few weeks ago, like I said.

Sidenote why are you trying to hide Retus' history with FE. He joined you guys back in what Oct 2012?. It's like saying Merkk is a newer member.

[Hitpoint]

Rhodes train is right after an FE wipe. He was naked on his train so he was either just rezzed or coth'd down naked.

Your shaman ran in right after TMO wiped. You can see the person recording do a /who and see 7 or 8 tmo in zone. He ran in and pulled Trakanon to below the ledge and died there. Obviously we were going to get agro. It's the same exact thing. TMOs defense for this wasn't even that it was an accident. You guys just submitted some crappy fraps of one of our players getting killed at VS pit by a train. GMs decided those two violations were equal and canceled each other out.

And even if it wasn't GMs have ruled than an accidental train is just as bad. We've been suspended from Trakanon for accidentally training a single jug onto the ledge before. As I'm sure you know.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sidenote why are you trying to hide Retus' history with FE. He joined you guys back in what Oct 2012?. It's like saying Merkk is a newer member.

I don't know anything about Retus except that he joined the guild a month and a half ago and that he had been a member before. I'm talking to two officers who say he never has been an FE officer. Like I said, he is definitely not an officer now. Why are you even asking about this? Tiggles said an FE officer is the one that trained. This is quite obviously not the case.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your shaman ran in right after TMO wiped. You can see the person recording do a /who and see 7 or 8 tmo in zone. He ran in and pulled Trakanon to below the ledge and died there. Obviously we were going to get agro. It's the same exact thing. TMOs defense for this wasn't even that it was an accident. You guys just submitted some crappy fraps of one of our players getting killed at VS pit by a train. GMs decided those two violations were equal and canceled each other out.

And even if it wasn't GMs have ruled than an accidental train is just as bad. We've been suspended from Trakanon for accidentally training a single jug onto the ledge before. As I'm sure you know.




I don't know anything about Retus except that he joined the guild a month and a half ago and that he had been a member before. I'm talking to two officers who say he never has been an FE officer. Like I said, he is definitely not an officer now. Why are you even asking about this? Tiggles said an FE officer is the one that trained. This is quite obviously not the case.

Its an idiots defense to show an accidental train, and compare it to an intentional train. Ipoql didnt even train the raid anyways, goremaw did and he tried to flop to cancel aggro as soon as he saw fte message. FD failed as he was being attacked while feign'd. That is a mistake, an accident. Rhodes was intentional training and is in now way comparable. Also, you originally said that there wasnt a punishment and now you say that there was going to be a punishment on both ends but they canceled each other out. When do you intend to start telling the truth.

Simple facts, FE/IB have been complicit in multiple acts of training(intentional and otherwise), kiting of raid mobs, KSing on FTE, and most recently stealing aggro on an FTE and kiting a mob away from raids. Not to mention Draco stalling(Which BDA basically saved you from).
TMO has not been convicted of these action with intent. FE/IB has shown a consistent pattern of bad behavior. TMO hasn't. That is why you are raid suspended, I suggest you take these 5 days and think of ways to clean up your act. You got off easy with a 5 day suspension imo, Happy Holidays.

Have mistakes happened on raids? Yep. Will mistakes continue to happen on raids? Yep.

Intentional Ksing, kiting away raid mobs and nuke aggroing to train a raid....are NOT mistakes.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its an idiots defense to show an accidental train, and compare it to an intentional train. Ipoql didnt even train the raid anyways, goremaw did and he tried to flop to cancel aggro as soon as he saw fte message. FD failed as he was being attacked while feign'd. That is a mistake, an accident. Rhodes was intentional training and is in now way comparable. Also, you originally said that there wasnt a punishment and now you say that there was going to be a punishment on both ends but they canceled each other out. When do you intend to start telling the truth.

Simple facts, FE/IB have been complicit in multiple acts of training(intentional and otherwise), kiting of raid mobs, KSing on FTE, and most recently stealing aggro on an FTE and kiting a mob away from raids. Not to mention Draco stalling(Which BDA basically saved you from).
TMO has not been convicted of these action with intent. FE/IB has shown a consistent pattern of bad behavior. TMO hasn't. That is why you are raid suspended, I suggest you take these 5 days and think of ways to clean up your act. You got off easy with a 5 day suspension imo, Happy Holidays.

Have mistakes happened on raids? Yep. Will mistakes continue to happen on raids? Yep.

Intentional Ksing, kiting away raid mobs and nuke aggroing to train a raid....are NOT mistakes.

Intentional train is the same accidental trains on p99. We can argue whether it was intentional or not. You'll say it isn't, I'll say it obviously was. So lets just stop right here.

I haven't called you a liar here, I don't know why you called me one. You guys should have been suspended for Trakanon regardless. But you had some old fraps of someone getting hit by a train otw to VS pit. Trains happen there every single day, we've seen it a thousand times. Our monk who was in question had that train flopped on her by an SK in your guild. The fraps was complete garbage and showed nothing. It was purely used to get TMO out of a raid suspension at Trakanon.

BDA didn't save us from anything. That bard was going to stand there and tank Draco. If he died then it would have been BDAs engage. There was never going to be any kind of kiting, he was in vent saying exactly what he was going to do before the pull even happened.

And the only reason TMO hasn't been convicted of anything is because not enough FE run fraps. You can bet that will change after this. Didn't Taken fraps you guys training at Inny not too long ago?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Intentional train is the same accidental trains on p99. We can argue whether it was intentional or not. You'll say it isn't, I'll say it obviously was. So lets just stop right here.

I haven't called you a liar here, I don't know why you called me one. You guys should have been suspended for Trakanon regardless. But you had some old fraps of someone getting hit by a train otw to VS pit. Trains happen there every single day, we've seen it a thousand times. Our monk who was in question had that train flopped on her by an SK in your guild. The fraps was complete garbage and showed nothing. It was purely used to get TMO out of a raid suspension at Trakanon.


And the only reason TMO hasn't been convicted of anything is because not enough FE run fraps. You can bet that will change after this. Didn't Taken fraps you guys training at Inny not too long ago?

You can in no way claim Rhodes train wasn't intentional. Do i need to link the fraps. The only reason I have't is so you can dig yourself a nice deep hole.
Also, the fraps of that SK was mobs attacking them in the pit and then proceeding to run that all the way to VS and flopping there. Then standing once the mob disperse on TMO's raid.

Why am I calling you a liar? There are only 2 options here you are either lying, or you have the IQ of a below-average slug.

TMO was removed of any fault on that Inny.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can in no way claim Rhodes train wasn't intentional. Do i need to link the fraps. The only reason I have't is so you can dig yourself a nice deep hole.
Also, the fraps of that SK was mobs attacking them in the pit and then proceeding to run that all the way to VS and flopping there. Then standing once the mob disperse on TMO's raid.

Why am I calling you a liar? There are only 2 options here you are either lying, or you have the IQ of a below-average slug.

TMO was removed of any fault on that Inny.

I'm not sure why you are quoting me, and then saying something which I essentially already respond in that very same quote. I said it doesn't matter if it was intentional, I also said I've seen the fraps. I even have it bookmarked. Nowhere in this entire thread have I tried to pretend it was accidental. All I said was that our officers absolutely do not condone it. Obviously, nobody would with the threat of a suspension. What is it that you think I'm lying about?

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure why you are quoting me, and then saying something which I essentially already respond in that very same quote. I said it doesn't matter if it was intentional, I also said I've seen the fraps. I even have it bookmarked. Nowhere in this entire thread have I tried to pretend it was accidental. All I said was that our officers absolutely do not condone it. Obviously, nobody would with the threat of a suspension. What is it that you think I'm lying about?

I think it does matter if it is intentional, and fraps generally show the story pretty well. If someone gets agro and runs away to die, and the agro still jumps, it doesn't look near as bad as someone who nukes and then runs into the middle of another guilds raid prep.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't Taken fraps you guys training at Inny not too long ago?

Did you see the Taken "train" video? They had a cleric just chillin with their monk on the ramp, the single choke point of the zone. They died because they were being dumb, not because of an intentional train ... like FEs.

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suggest you take these 5 days and think of ways to clean up your act. You got off easy with a 5 day suspension imo, Happy Holidays.

A week in Poor Alarti's world is only 5 days...

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Fuddwin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A week in Poor Alarti's world is only 5 days...

Poor raid-suspended Notserp(Variety)