Am I the only one

[DrKvothe]

Atmas, there's a level range where it's really an issue of choosing amongst buffs when there's just not enough mana for everything. At 29, your healer won't have cheal, so you should regen the tank, puller, and yourself (300 mana every ~10 min). All melee, let's say you've got 3 of them, are going to want quickness if you don't have an enchanter (240 mana ever ~10 min).

You'll be meditating ~12 mana per tick if you don't miss a tick, and you'll be regen'ing 8 hp per tick if you're barb/ogre, 11 if you're iksar/troll. Assuming you take no hits and never cap out on hp, you're getting 20 mana for every 50 hp you regen.

So for a barb/ogre, that's 15.2 mana per tick and for iksar/troll it's 16.4 mana per tick. You tick ~100 times between rebuffs. So for an untwinked shm doing everything he can to max his mana regen, barb/ogre's mana regen is 1520 mana and iksar/troll's is 1640 mana between necessary buffs.

So just minimal regen/haste at lvl 29 is going to take up 32.9 to 35.5% of maximum mana regen (assuming no external heals). No lvl 29 shaman is going to actually hit that 1520 or 1640 mana per 10 min mark, however, and the real number is likely going to be ~50% of mana regen just for those 2 buffs.

People will expect emergency roots and backup heals at least. That's easily most of the remaining mana. Sometimes additional buffs just don't fit the mana budget.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Atmas, there's a level range where it's really an issue of choosing amongst buffs when there's just not enough mana for everything. At 29, your healer won't have cheal, so you should regen the tank, puller, and yourself (300 mana every ~10 min). All melee, let's say you've got 3 of them, are going to want quickness if you don't have an enchanter (240 mana ever ~10 min).

You'll be meditating ~12 mana per tick if you don't miss a tick, and you'll be regen'ing 8 hp per tick if you're barb/ogre, 11 if you're iksar/troll. Assuming you take no hits and never cap out on hp, you're getting 20 mana for every 50 hp you regen.

So for a barb/ogre, that's 15.2 mana per tick and for iksar/troll it's 16.4 mana per tick. You tick ~100 times between rebuffs. So for an untwinked shm doing everything he can to max his mana regen, barb/ogre's mana regen is 1520 mana and iksar/troll's is 1640 mana between necessary buffs.

So just minimal regen/haste at lvl 29 is going to take up 32.9 to 35.5% of maximum mana regen (assuming no external heals). No lvl 29 shaman is going to actually hit that 1520 or 1640 mana per 10 min mark, however, and the real number is likely going to be ~50% of mana regen just for those 2 buffs.

People will expect emergency roots and backup heals at least. That's easily most of the remaining mana. Sometimes additional buffs just don't fit the mana budget.

It depends on what you consider extra. It's hard for me to call strength ever extra. It's 60 mana for 45 minutes (if the wiki numbers are right, I admit they often aren't). Or for the case of 3 melees about 40 mana every 10 minutes, pretty small.

Of course the real significance of any measureable buff is value/cost. At this point I really would just be making up numbers but the last toon I played in this range is my 36 rogue. Let say I'm in a group that pulls one mob a minute (I think its usually faster). He has some decent gear so that 26 str would actually take him to cap, I think other characters benefit more than he does. Here is the real out of the air number, lets say he does just an extra 20 hpts of damage per mob or per minute. If that is true its 900 more damage over 45 minutes. Which equates to a 1 mana per 15 damage ratio, which is pretty awesome and far and away better than any casted DoT or Nuke.

[Wudan]

You bitchass shaman should reroll wizard, cause you dont even deserve to play this awsome class that shaman is. I have played shaman for years and i always buff people with whatever the fuck they ask for because that is one of my roles! Mana is not an issue and never was, sure you run low after buffing whole grp, but you can build it back up very fast with cannidance, even when you are the main healer/slower....and you had chanter in your group ffs! You might be the worst shaman out there.

Rerollwizardafkandgotobedscrubshamanloser

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by Wudan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You bitchass shaman should reroll wizard, cause you dont even deserve to play this awsome class that shaman is. I have played shaman for years and i always buff people with whatever the fuck they ask for because that is one of my roles! Mana is not an issue and never was, sure you run low after buffing whole grp, but you can build it back up very fast with cannidance, even when you are the main healer/slower....and you had chanter in your group ffs! You might be the worst shaman out there.

Rerollwizardafkandgotobedscrubshamanloser

You are the fucking man. Remind me of my good shaman friend Amirite. He's the fucking man too.

[Zeonick]

Go ahead and quit the shaman now. Your main task on raids will be "Send tells for buffs" and you then work your way through 20 tell windows buffing everyone who messaged you. And if the raid wipes... You do it again. Though at that level the buffs people ask for are actually legit and helpful.

And saying melee classes who ask for STR are wasting your time is.... well, ridiculous. STR buffs help melee out more than any other buff besides haste. You aren't doing any worthwhile damage compared to a rogue or monk so you may as well contribute in the best way possible - by buffing them.

But really I should have just let the poll results speak for themselves.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Zeonick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go ahead and quit the shaman now. Your main task on raids will be "Send tells for buffs" and you then work your way through 20 tell windows buffing everyone who messaged you. And if the raid wipes... You do it again. Though at that level the buffs people ask for are actually legit and helpful.

And saying melee classes who ask for STR are wasting your time is.... well, ridiculous. STR buffs help melee out more than any other buff besides haste. You aren't doing any worthwhile damage compared to a rogue or monk so you may as well contribute in the best way possible - by buffing them.

But really I should have just let the poll results speak for themselves.

Nope here you login and buff people every once in awhile as they camp out at trak ledge/vs/port spots. And outside avatar and resists, the mob is dead before two ae. Unless a poopsock Is on.


If you were 60/raided you would know this.

[Zeonick]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope here you login and buff people every once in awhile as they camp out at trak ledge/vs/port spots. And outside avatar and resists, the mob is dead before two ae. Unless a poopsock Is on.


If you were 60/raided you would know this.

Nope i've raided here being the only shaman on raids, sure boss mobs fall quickly but what about 2 hour+ sky raids?

But yeah, having avatar would change things a ton. I'm only 51 so I have to pump out every buff individually.