let's get real about item loot

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[Mono-Tone]

People are pretty stupid to want item loot.. Honestly this server will have less pop than red in about a month guaranteed!

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Mono-Tone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are pretty stupid to want item loot.. Honestly this server will have less pop than red in about a month guaranteed!

People want something new and fresh. If you don't like item loot just stay on red99. You can level up quick here. I don't see the complaint with having a new server with different rules.

[Nirgon]

You guys are here because you don't like games like WoW, and believe thing should be like EQ again.

Then you want all the things WoW has.

Maps that always show you where you are, instant travel, instanced pvp with no consequence etc.

Sad, really.

How did all the people who played on Rallos Zek enjoy their experience for 3 or more expansions, until of course, PvP was KILLED by horrible resist scaling with PoP gear, and the later augs etc?

If you want a hard coded faction game with no fear of losing items, or thrill of gaining them by killing other players, there is a game for you and tons of its clones.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maps that always show you where you are, instant travel, instanced pvp with no consequence etc.

No one wants this.

[HippoNipple]

Less exaggeration and more helpful tips from our classic database known as Nirgon.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one wants this.

People want to charm Sirran in Plane of Sky, they want you to believe that all invis pulling is completely classic, they cried when the hovering compass bar was removed, they want you to think the current low hp kiting is classic, they write 3rd party addons right now to show raid dps etc.

I recently had the pleasure of grouping with Loraen of the A-Team (blue I know) who said he recalled having some arguments with me in the bugs section. I asked him about how invis pulling etc is now and if he, as a skilled player, finds himself enjoying the game more. He said he did, and trust me, at the time we were arguing he hated my guts.

The point is, the game is more enjoyable when risk and reward and skill are a factor. Killing a dragon stuck in a wall and vigorously masturbating to the pixels it drops is pointless... and sick.

[Kergan]

Hey this is Iien/Gabuk from RZ (new forum name). I'm on red now, up to level 49 almost!

Seeing a Rienne screenshot gives me the warm fuzzies. Also Smedy's post about "bad rogue" made me laugh, Rienne would fucking destroy you. Not that you would know that from a screenshot but that guy was fucking LETHAL. Along with Oddjob he was the best PVPer I ever had the pleasure of slaughtering people with. Some of you may know him as Draganov in ToW from SZ.

And the reason he is wearing gear is the same reason I wore my gear all the time on an item loot server - I never expected to lose. Having gear compared to a lot of naked people helped but I felt I was pretty good at the PVP, especially on my enchanter.

[Nirgon]

You'll also care more about making sworn enemies who will drop whatever it is, no matter what they are doing, to come after you in an item loot scenario too, trust me on that.

When red opened, the River Vale / Freeport area was a total shit show. Not that I dislike that kind of thing, but you have to realize, there was no fear in attacking anyone or making an enemy. Here, you will care a lot more about pissing everyone off when the lynch mob comes for your notorious ass.

I PvPed wiz/enc in the early days with Kerrygetz and let me tell you, there was no fucking around to be hard for us in highkeep when the alarms were sounded. We had to pick our fights because of our reputation.

There's more factors in play than "lose a cloak of flames and quit" with item loot.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'll also care more about making sworn enemies who will drop whatever it is, no matter what they are doing, to come after you in an item loot scenario too, trust me on that.

When red opened, the River Vale / Freeport area was a total shit show. Not that I dislike that kind of thing, but you have to realize, there was no fear in attacking anyone or making an enemy. Here, you will care a lot more about pissing everyone off when the lynch mob comes for your notorious ass.

I PvPed wiz/enc in the early days with Kerrygetz and let me tell you, there was no fucking around to be hard for us in highkeep when the alarms were sounded. We had to pick our fights because of our reputation.

There's more factors in play than "lose a cloak of flames and quit" with item loot.

It changes the entire community and really keeps the bad apples accountable for their actions. You can only be a serious PK if you are really good and play careful at all times when you are logged in. I agree with everything you said here.

As far as everyone wanting things easy mode, I haven't really seen much debate about it either way on Red. I'm sure Blue has their opinions on things like the compass but PvP alone seems to overshadow any debate on Red.