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Old 08-16-2010, 01:40 PM
Messianic Messianic is offline
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OK, after about 30-45 mins of reading, I'm ready to respond to this:

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Unless you can find patch notes saying that it was changed on live to allow platinum instead of gold, you have to assume it always allowed platinum.
That makes absolutely no sense. Why should we assume that the way it is on live is the way it has always been? Not every change in the game is announced with a giant trumpet via patch notes.

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Are you saying that there are posts on alla where people say they turned in platinum with the quest and hasten ate their items?
Many of the archived comments from 2001/2000 say so, quite affirmatively.

http://web.archive.org/web/200106170...st=28&start=50 "I assure you, if you hand him a Ring, a Rapier, and 325 plat, he will keep it all and you will get nothing."
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/arch...hp/t-6972.html "-You must pay him 3250 GP, not 325 PP."
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.asp...7&QuestID=9686 "Finally, the 3,250 GP can be found in your bank account. Hehe! You must use gold pieces since the quest will not work with platinum pieces."

To be equitable, I haven't been able to find a "smoking gun," where someone in Allakhazam's, etc showed that they turned in pp and the quest failed. However:

Judging by the comments from 2004 on current allakahazam's websites and the ones on the web archives of allakhazam's, i'd bet it was changed sometime around 2003-2004 to allow pp. Given the whole set of comments i've been able to find, i'd turn it around and say the burden of proof lays on you. Prove to us that as long as the quest was in EQ, pp was acceptable - prove that all those people who claimed it had to be 3250 gp were simply believing a myth, and NO ONE tried 325 pp out of curiosity and posted that it worked with 325 pp - because before 2003, I can't find someone posting that pp worked.

So, show me someone saying on a forum or elsewhere during the classic period (1999-2001ish) that pp works just as well as gp. Because I can't find one.

However, because I don't have a smoking gun, you can shakily argue that "it was just a myth everyone believed, so no one found out that you could use 325 pp," and you could argue that's the only reason so many people believe this. I think as many people played EQ during that time, someone would have figured it out.


I'm simply not willing to spend anymore time on it - you can if you like. I'm satisfied that uber-gamers I knew in the top tier guilds on the largest servers emphatically asserted it was gp only, and attempting to use 325pp instead would have been chump change to them...
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Old 08-16-2010, 03:41 PM
Dersk Dersk is offline
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Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
So, show me someone saying on a forum or elsewhere during the classic period (1999-2001ish) that pp works just as well as gp. Because I can't find one.

In response to someone typing '3250p':
You may have read in the numerous threads, including this one, that this isn't the only quest to allow platinum instead of gold.

For example, from the same webarchive, Fire Opals:<-- That's actually a 2000 post, but Allakhazam didn't post years on all their original forum posts. The current forums shows that post as well here.

Lodizal Shield:I'll also repeat a post in this forum:
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Even the honey jum quest on this server allows platinum instead of gold.
There are obviously claims for platinum working and not working, so who do we believe? The people claiming that platinum was refused never showed that they completed the quest by immediately turning in gold, so we are left with several explanations:

a) The NPC did not accept platinum
b) The player had inadequate faction
c) The player had incorrect/insufficient items turned in with that money
d) The player turned the items in to the wrong NPC (such as a pet)
e) The player is lying or somehow mistaken and did not notice the reward (fell to ground, etc)

The claims stating platinum was accepted only have the following explanations:

f) Platinum did in fact work
g) People saying platinum worked are lying or somehow mistaken that they received their reward

The desire for a patch note would put the entire issue to rest as it would explicitly state the use of gold and/or platinum for quests. Without that, we are left to assume the NPCs changed as some random date that cannot be verified, plat always worked, or that the entire issue with platinum working for quests is a conspiracy.

If we can agree with the claims of platinum working, then requiring proof that a quest operated a certain way in 1999 when it's reasonably clear that the quest operated in that fashion from 2001~2010 is rather asinine.
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