Server Raid Rules - New and Improved

[G13]

Q: Both raids got here simultaneously. What do we do?
A: In the rare case that both raids feel they got there first than you can work out a compromise on your own.

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[Brad_mo123]

What about CT? cant exactly stand on his spawn point with the zone repopping, thats a for sure wipe, grats on bullet proof rules [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Brad_mo123 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about CT? cant exactly stand on his spawn point with the zone repopping, thats a for sure wipe, grats on bullet proof rules [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

That's the point. If you want to "camp" CT, good luck.

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should just outright ban guilds from camping raid mobs, period.

None of this beating around the bush.

Ban people for standing around a spawn point? I understand your sentiment, but you should understand these rules discourage camping in general, and make afk camping nearly impossible. It is a clarification of first to engage, unless sufficient force is present to kill the npc when it spawns. That sufficient force has to be prepared to fight the moment it spawns, because they are in its aggro range. I assume you would have a better chance at succeeding by not camping the npc, and waiting on the first raid to fail from afk-camping.


From what I have seen and heard, guilds say they don't need a complicated ruleset. Prove it please.

[Noleafclover]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the point. If you want to "camp" CT, good luck.

Aye, these raid rules a huge upgrade on CT. And don't get me wrong, they're certainly better than the last. Props for making a needed change, you guys are definitely showing you care/listen, and deserve credit for it. But but but (yes I know)

Ban people for standing around a spawn point?

Yes. Have rules that say they will get suspended. If it's illegal, it will stop getting done for the most part. And if not, they get suspended. Problem solved.

I mean I really don't get this, we're all anti-camping, and trying to think up ways to get rid of camping. Just. Say. No. Camping.

And then, like it has been, first w/ 15 in zone once something spawned have claim. Solves all the leapfrogging and same-time-pulling drama too. It's like a two-move checkmate. And back to tracking and racing.

And really, camping's not hard to prove (assuming people are eager for suspensions . . . . . .). SS of 10-25 people standing around in Sol B, even a /who of sol b along with SS's at efreeti, royals, bnb, window should do it, if they're f*cking super-invisible ninjas from outer space (which would be cool - and I think any changes should stipulate super-invisible ninjas from outer space are immune to suspensions).

EDIT: Not tryin to be confrontational, just to make my point.

[Evorix]

Originally Posted by Noleafclover [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes. Have rules that say they will get suspended. If it's illegal, it will stop getting done for the most part. And if not, they get suspended. Problem solved.

I mean I really don't get this, we're all anti-camping, and trying to think up ways to get rid of camping. Just. Say. No. Camping.

And then, like it has been, first w/ 15 in zone once something spawned have claim. Solves all the leapfrogging and same-time-pulling drama too. It's like a two-move checkmate. And back to tracking and racing.

Sooooo... you instead want people to camp outside the zone waiting for a mob to pop and rush to zone in to get 15 first???? If you end camping in a zone, people will just sit outside and wait for the call to zone in. It will change nothing except who gets the first SS of 15 of their guild in the zone.

[Noleafclover]

Originally Posted by Evorix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sooooo... you instead want people to camp outside the zone waiting for a mob to pop and rush to zone in to get 15 first???? If you end camping in a zone, people will just sit outside and wait for the call to zone in. It will change nothing except who gets the first SS of 15 of their guild in the zone.

Your point's somewhat valid, my rules are not hugely better than the current because of it - unless you disallow camping in adjacents (not a huge hit, WI doesn't farm lava frequently, at least...) or make it first 15 to a certain distance from spawn (but that's hard to prove). But to me, even the quoted is preferred to first force back to keyboards to turn the corner. I think people may poopsock outside of the bosses, both get the texts, and try to engage at the same time (on current changes).

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Evorix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sooooo... you instead want people to camp outside the zone waiting for a mob to pop and rush to zone in to get 15 first???? If you end camping in a zone, people will just sit outside and wait for the call to zone in. It will change nothing except who gets the first SS of 15 of their guild in the zone.

The new rules state 15 people in aggro radius of the mob have claim. There's nothing in the new rules about 15 in zone. So if folks camp outside the zone and rust to zone in to get 15 first, it still means nothing. The new rules are essentially "first to engage with 15+".

[Lostprophets]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The new rules state 15 people in aggro radius of the mob have claim. There's nothing in the new rules about 15 in zone. So if folks camp outside the zone and rust to zone in to get 15 first, it still means nothing. The new rules are essentially "first to engage with 15+".

thats where the "Please be respectful to your fellow players and respect their space. If there is a guild getting ready to raid Hate for some armor and they start pulling creatures, don't go up there and sit on top of them pulling mobs in their area as well. If Guild A is doing Hate, then perhaps Guild B should be doing Fear. Basically, don't be a douche bag."

that rule comes into play. Imo if you see someone forming for a target and clearing mobs in the pathway for maestro or inny or something for example, don't try to pull through them, don't try to pass them, just simply wait for them to wipe (if they're on the pure path to them clearly and not clearing ALL trash), or thats just douche bagery if you try to leapfrog them, and from what i gather from this post that pulling shit like that is bannable on first offence?

Definitely running fraps from now on.

[girth]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The new rules state 15 people in aggro radius of the mob have claim. There's nothing in the new rules about 15 in zone. So if folks camp outside the zone and rust to zone in to get 15 first, it still means nothing. The new rules are essentially "first to engage with 15+".

That should be clarified then. Currently the only place it lists 15+ is camping a boss that is not up yet. Or are you telling me that a 20 man raid can KS a 13 man raid after they engaged a boss? Assuming neither were there before it spawned.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the point. If you want to "camp" CT, good luck.



Ban people for standing around a spawn point? I understand your sentiment, but you should understand these rules discourage camping in general, and make afk camping nearly impossible. It is a clarification of first to engage, unless sufficient force is present to kill the npc when it spawns. That sufficient force has to be prepared to fight the moment it spawns, because they are in its aggro range. I assume you would have a better chance at succeeding by not camping the npc, and waiting on the first raid to fail from afk-camping.


From what I have seen and heard, guilds say they don't need a complicated ruleset. Prove it please.

I hope you're right, because I'd LOVE to come back and start playing again.