No problem with you bards until tonight, what you guys should understand.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is against the rules, intentional or not. Server rules spell it out clearly.

Originally Posted by Rogean

Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.

^I'm guessing this is what you are referring to?^
kiting != training. No one is trying to escape(zone away) from a pack of NPCs or dump agro when swarm kiting. Either way, getting someone in trouble on a training dispute is nigh impossible; in my several years on the server I've never seen it happen outside of a raid scenario. It's un-enforceable.

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monopolizing an entire zones spawns IS against the rules.

^this is referring to holding multiple camps within a dungeon(specifically crushbone and black burrow; both places have clearly defined camps.) The server rules are clear that outdoor pathing mobs are not and can never be considered a camp. Stop quote mining out of context.

The rule for outdoor pathing mobs is as follows:

Originally Posted by Xzerion

5. Outdoor pathing mobs are not campable unless you are sitting at the spawn point and able to engage it instantly. Outdoor mobs on fast respawn such as HG and spectres, if you cannot engage immediately you do not hold the camp. Please try and share with fellow players in these instances.

I.E. It's FTE on outdoor pathing mobs. If someone is first to engage the entire zone; the entire zone is theirs until they die, or kill it all. "please try and share" isn't an order to share, its a suggestion.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^I'm guessing this is what you are referring to?^
kiting != training. No one is trying to escape(zone away) from a pack of NPCs or dump agro when swarm kiting. Either way, getting someone in trouble on a training dispute is nigh impossible; in my several years on the server I've never seen it happen outside of a raid scenario. It's un-enforceable.


^this is referring to holding multiple camps within a dungeon. The server rules are clear that outdoor pathing mobs are not a camp. Stop quote mining out of context.

The rule for outdoor pathing mobs is as follows:


I.E. It's FTE on outdoor pathing mobs. If someone is first to engage the entire zone; the entire zone is theirs until they die, or kill it all. "please try and share" isn't an order to share, its a suggestion.

Training is training, it doesn't matter what you are "trying" to do when it happens.

We aren't talking about people attempting to claim camps on outdoor mobs, this thread didn't start because ___ killed the sarnak that someone was camping in OT. You are the one taking things out of context here. Not being able to claim a specific wanderer spawn as a camp does not = being allowed to pull everything in the zone when other players are there trying to exp.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is training, it doesn't matter what you are "trying" to do when it happens.

We aren't talking about people attempting to claim camps on outdoor mobs, this thread didn't start because ___ killed the sarnak that someone was camping in OT. You are the one taking things out of context here. Not being able to claim a specific wanderer spawn as a camp does not = being allowed to pull everything in the zone when other players are there trying to exp.

Newsflash: Pulling mobs is training and will result in ban lol.

Outdoor pathing mobs are specifically labeled as a first to engage. If a bard is able to pull 100% of the outdoor pathing mobs before anyone else pulls anything 1) everyone else sucks and should just quit or try harder. 2) no rules have been broken.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Newsflash: Pulling mobs is training and will result in ban lol.

Outdoor pathing mobs are specifically labeled as a first to engage. If a bard is able to pull 100% of the outdoor pathing mobs before anyone else pulls anything 1) everyone else sucks and should just quit or try harder. 2) no rules have been broken.

But if his pull kills them, he trained them. This is what you're missing.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if his pull kills them, he trained them. This is what you're missing.

Been here a long time, I've never heard or seen a training petition(outside of a raid) yield anything. Isn't the existence of swarm kiters 4 years into the server's life proof enough that you're wrong? They've been here since day 1, and are still here 4 years later, obviously no one is getting banned; even threads like this are as old as the server and still...nothing. Hell, I've been in groups that kited the entirety of Skyfire and the only GM interaction we got was a "/shout Wow, thats really clever." followed by some illusions cast on us.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Been here a long time, I've never heard or seen a training petition(outside of a raid) yield anything. Isn't the existence of swarm kiters 4 years into the server's life proof enough that you're wrong? They've been here since day 1, and are still here 4 years later, obviously no one is getting banned; even threads like this are as old as the server and still...nothing. Hell, I've been in groups that kited the entirety of Skyfire and the only GM interaction we got was a "/shout Wow, thats really clever." followed by some illusions cast on us.

You're mistaking me saying that training other players due to your failure is against rules as me somehow saying "I don't like when players pull too much."

Take your head out of your ass and learn how to read. Training other people is illegal under server rules. I don't give a shit if you can just kill a lot - that's a meaningless complaint. The only comments I've made are that if you kill other people with your own failing, you need to be held responsible.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Take your head out of your ass and learn how to read.