Raiding in P1999 is nothing like raiding in classic.

[Zeds]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken commented stating that pathing is still very poor and doesn't want to deal with the petitions that would most definitely stem from it.

ok perfect. Now regardless of whether or not we can get the change to happen (which we know is not for the players to decide), what is position on changing the training rule and why? Beneficial? Detrimental? No opinion?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Zeds [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok perfect. Now regardless of whether or not we can get the change to happen (which we know is not for the players to decide), what is position on changing the training rule and why? Beneficial? Detrimental? No opinion?

My stance? It most definitely should be changed. Not because it's what I would want, but that's how it should be. However, the pathing does need to be fixed prior.

I can't say that it would be beneficial or detrimental, as the raiding scene here can be quite toxic when the rules are allowed to be abused. Poopsocking in VP isn't a problem due to training, take that away and now you have guilds sitting in VP on top of raid targets, which is as much of a problem as training (raiding health wise).

Training is a fix to more problems than it creates and that is the reason it's still allowed, once it's removed (with pathing fixed or not), more problems will arise and those problems will all have to be settled with GM intervention.

I would imagine Sirken's stance is very similar to mine. It's something that should be done away with, but at the moment it is needed.

[Zeds]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My stance? It most definitely should be changed. Not because it's what I would want, but that's how it should be. However, the pathing does need to be fixed prior.

I can't say that it would be beneficial or detrimental, as the raiding scene here can be quite toxic when the rules are allowed to be abused. Poopsocking in VP isn't a problem due to training, take that away and now you have guilds sitting in VP on top of raid targets, which is as much of a problem as training (raiding health wise).

Training is a fix to more problems than it creates and that is the reason it's still allowed, once it's removed (with pathing fixed or not), more problems will arise and those problems will all have to be settled with GM intervention.

I would imagine Sirken's stance is very similar to mine. It's something that should be done away with, but at the moment it is needed.

Understandable, so lets dig a little deeper. The issue here isn't whether or not it should be changed, but rather, there needs to be more man power to accommodate the petitions/enforce the rules if it does get changed. This project is literally busting at the seams with players, and this change is a step in the right direction in getting even more long term players. In order for the change to happen though, more people need to step up and volunteer/apply as GMs to handle the higher work load.

On that note I think the current staff have done an awesome job with such a small crew on getting the project to this point, now the question for them is do they expand the staff further to make these types of changes reality and continue to see player growth or are they content with the current numbers?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Zeds [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Understandable, so lets dig a little deeper. The issue here isn't whether or not it should be changed, but rather, there needs to be more man power to accommodate the petitions/enforce the rules if it does get changed. This project is literally busting at the seams with players, and this change is a step in the right direction in getting even more long term players. In order for the change to happen though, more people need to step up and volunteer/apply as GMs to handle the higher work load.

On that note I think the current staff have done an awesome job with such a small crew on getting the project to this point, now the question for them is do they expand the staff further to make these types of changes reality and continue to see player growth or are they content with the current numbers?

Only thing with this, is that top end raiders don't want just anyone handling these petitions and neither does Sirken (I'd imagine anyhow). The top end raiders bitch the loudest and having bad calls and the endless RnF threads bitching about how GMs handled a call ends up being very bad press. It's as bad or worse than how things are now with training.

More CSR isn't a bad thing, just have to remember that they all need to be vetted by Sirken and Rogean and those people have to earn their trust and position over a long period of time (generally speaking).