Raiding in P1999 is nothing like raiding in classic.

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Originally Posted by Tiddlywinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Define X and Y, because I don't remember suggesting an X or you ever giving me a Y. You've essentially just been ignoring and trolling my attempts at telling you how and why people feel a certain way.

Not caring "because it's not the way it is" isn't exactly a good Y rofl. If that were how things actually worked, nothing would ever change.

Edit: I also HIGHLY doubt that the people "whining" are ever going to stop so wishing them to do so is probably not going to work out in the long run. If anything, I would say they are gaining steam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They aren't gaining anything, just wasting their time. Like I am wasting mine towards them.

X would be no rules in VP. Y would be VP pathing is broke. Z is fixing of VP or Sirken changing his mind (which he didn't even hint at being a possibility).

Ignorant people feeling a certain way doesn't need to be explained to me, I know why they feel the way the do and already pointed out why the way they feel is biased.

Misconceptions and lies make ignorant people feel like they were slighted and give impossible problems that can't be fixed based on their fantasy.

Like you bringing up how the staff favored TMO in some way over IB regarding VP, yet can't even give an answer on how to solve that situation fairly.

In essence, you are complaining to complain about bullshit you "feel" to be correct.

[Tiddlywinks]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They aren't gaining anything, just wasting their time. Like I am wasting mine towards them.

X would be no rules in VP. Y would be VP pathing is broke. Z is fixing of VP or Sirken changing his mind (which he didn't even hint at being a possibility).

Ignorant people feeling a certain way doesn't need to be explained to me, I know why they feel the way the do and already pointed out why the way they feel is biased.

Misconceptions and lies make ignorant people feel like they were slighted and give impossible problems that can't be fixed based on their fantasy.

Like you bringing up how the staff favored TMO in some way over IB regarding VP, yet can't even give an answer on how to solve that situation fairly.

In essence, you are complaining to complain about bullshit you "feel" to be correct.

Why in God's name would I want to explain how to fix issues that occurred 2 years ago? That's a waste of time, and I already said as much here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=155

And of course I am complaining about bullshit and that is the entire point of the thread. Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by Tiddlywinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why in God's name would I want to explain how to fix issues that occurred 2 years ago? That's a waste of time, and I already said as much here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=155

And of course I am complaining about bullshit and that is the entire point of the thread. Am I missing something?

Yeah, you are complaining yet offer no solutions to what you are complaining about.

You are no better than a troll.

[Tiddlywinks]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, you are complaining yet offer no solutions to what you are complaining about.

You are no better than a troll.

Actually I did offer a solution to the problem, however it involves a time machine, since that's the only way to fix problems that occured 2 years ago.

No solution proposed today is going to fix issues that occured in the past. Time only moves in one direction.

Got it?

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Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, you are complaining yet offer no solutions to what you are complaining about.

You are no better than a troll.

I don't agree with you a lot, but I think that a lot of people complain and moan.... but don't offer any real solutions.

I think the reason TMO wants to keep things status quo is because of how volitile raiding guilds are... ie soon as 1 starts to lose ground it collapses... also as I've read they had to fight pretty damn hard to get to be number 1.

If we force a server rotation... why join TMO? FE? IB?

Maybe something like a server rotation with a time limit.

ie if something is spawned more than X hours it becomes FFA.

Any solution would require some give and take... in this case - top end guilds would have to stop bat phoning to kill things asap and more casual guilds would have to mobilize quickly.

I think the top end guilds would benefit in terms of becoming more relaxed and encouraging more raiders to join the server.


As for me personally - I'd want to actually have a shot at raid mobs, but I got real life responsibilities also.... so this concept of "casuals not trying hard enough" is getting silly... it's a private server for a 14 yr old game... lets grow up a bit.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Bantam 1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we force a server rotation... why join TMO? FE? IB?

Imagine how terrible the game would be if people just joined guilds because they liked playing with the people in them.

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Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine how terrible the game would be if people just joined guilds because they liked playing with the people in them.

Why only have TMO stay as TMO, they have enough characters and alts to make several guilds and fill up rotation slots.

FE could probably do two guilds.

BDA, probably 3.

Rotations without some form of elitism will not ever work here. Staff will not enforce a server rotation and there are enough players who don't want it that they can easily stop one from ever taking off.

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why only have TMO stay as TMO, they have enough characters and alts to make several guilds and fill up rotation slots.

FE could probably do two guilds.

BDA, probably 3.

Rotations without some form of elitism will not ever work here. Staff will not enforce a server rotation and there are enough players who don't want it that they can easily stop one from ever taking off.

I'm not defending the idea, nor am I against it, but I have to point this out:

Say this came to fruition. You have a forced rotation. You have TMO splitting up into 4 guilds, FE into 2, BDA into 3...

Ok, so now TMO is getting 4 parts of a pie of 9 pieces. FE getting 2 of 9, and BDA 3 of 9.

All hypothetically of course, much assuming naturally.

But what's the big problem with that?

You have no superficial FTE rules being enforced. No GM intervention wondering who got the kill. No poop-socking required. Players can just log in and play the game for as long as they want on whichever characters they want, and just go to any given raid target when its their turn when it spawns.

Tell me the negatives, besides potentially getting less loot for a single guild.

Hell, some guilds might get MORE loot. TMO might even get more loot on a forced rotation system. I also added some ideas to the possibility of a rotation with some interesting rulesets. Even additional timer based rewards for guilds who are especially efficient. Please read that post.

Honestly, I see only positives with this. The only downside I really see (not saying there aren't some I do not see off of the top of my head right now) is that those who want to feel superior to everyone else because they "WON", can't feel that way anymore.

Boo hoo?

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Originally Posted by Bantam 1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't agree with you a lot, but I think that a lot of people complain and moan.... but don't offer any real solutions.

I think the reason TMO wants to keep things status quo is because of how volitile raiding guilds are... ie soon as 1 starts to lose ground it collapses... also as I've read they had to fight pretty damn hard to get to be number 1.

If we force a server rotation... why join TMO? FE? IB?

Maybe something like a server rotation with a time limit.

ie if something is spawned more than X hours it becomes FFA.

Any solution would require some give and take... in this case - top end guilds would have to stop bat phoning to kill things asap and more casual guilds would have to mobilize quickly.

I think the top end guilds would benefit in terms of becoming more relaxed and encouraging more raiders to join the server.


As for me personally - I'd want to actually have a shot at raid mobs, but I got real life responsibilities also.... so this concept of "casuals not trying hard enough" is getting silly... it's a private server for a 14 yr old game... lets grow up a bit.

I think the closest thing you'll get to a rotation on here, is TMO not mobilizing for targets. In the past, TMO has given up raid targets for the server to go after. However, the only way I would think they would do this is if the "second raiding guild" didn't go after those targets. Would obvious exclude VP raid targets and probably trakanon.

Only thing is, the last few times they did this, the server complained that it wasn't enough and that it was some sinister plot (seriously).

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Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the closest thing you'll get to a rotation on here, is TMO not mobilizing for targets. In the past, TMO has given up raid targets for the server to go after. However, the only way I would think they would do this is if the "second raiding guild" didn't go after those targets. Would obvious exclude VP raid targets and probably trakanon.

Only thing is, the last few times they did this, the server complained that it wasn't enough and that it was some sinister plot (seriously).

I think you and I are on the same page on this one. I think the solution will most likely be TMO/IB/FE leaving stuff up come Velious or purposely talking to less hardcore guilds to give them shots at things which would encourage more new people to join the serve and raid. (IE better/more potential recruits).

Anyways hope this discussion goes somewhere.