Raiding in P1999 is nothing like raiding in classic.

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Originally Posted by Tiddlywinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most people believe this because TR/IB had been ready to raid VP months before another guild on the server had killed Trakanon. The delay with VP's release gave time for another force (the newly-merged TMO) to key up and be allowed to rotate with TR.

Most people are idiots then

The delay wasn't to give another guild time, the delay was because it was taking awhile to get the zone right (it wasn't even right when it was released).

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Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most people are idiots then

The delay wasn't to give another guild time, the delay was because it was taking awhile to get the zone right (it wasn't even right when it was released).

People know it wasnt done intentionally. That doesn't change the fact: IT HAPPENED. Another guild got to share IB/TR mobs because of it when they were rightly the only ones who would have been ready if it were opened on a classic timeline.

Do you ever stop and wonder what the raid scene would be like if the rules were the same, but TMO never got to share VP with TR/IB and TR/IB could have just kept TMO and anyone else out of the zone via training?

Probably not, because that's not what happened. Too bad for any other guilds such as FE that are up and come, because this is the exact fucking scenario they are facing and why they think things are not fair.

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Originally Posted by Tiddlywinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People know it wasnt done intentionally. That doesn't change the fact: IT HAPPENED. Another guild got to share IB/TR mobs because of it when they were rightly the only ones who would have been ready if it were opened on a classic timeline.

Do you ever stop and wonder what the raid scene would be like if the rules were the same, but TMO never got to share VP with TR/IB and TR/IB could have just kept TMO and anyone else out of the zone via training?

Probably not, because that's not what happened. Too bad for any other guilds such as FE that are up and come, because this is the exact fucking scenario they are facing and why they think things are not fair.

I don't stop and wonder, because it doesn't matter. You can play what ifs all day long, it doesn't matter because it didn't happen.

IB/TR could have chose not to rotate with TMO, but they did anyhow. IB/TR being in VP wouldn't have stopped TMO from getting keyed and the VP loot advantage wouldn't of helped IB/TR in VP when TMO did enter. Especially because IB/TR was a guild that had peaks in raiding and had multiple members come and go (from breaks) after gearing up.

I can honestly say nothing would have changed other than a few more IB members would have gotten more VP loot before TMO entered.

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Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't stop and wonder, because it doesn't matter. You can play what ifs all day long, it doesn't matter because it didn't happen.

IB/TR could have chose not to rotate with TMO, but they did anyhow. IB/TR being in VP wouldn't have stopped TMO from getting keyed and the VP loot advantage wouldn't of helped IB/TR in VP when TMO did enter. Especially because IB/TR was a guild that had peaks in raiding and had multiple members come and go (from breaks) after gearing up.

I can honestly say nothing would have changed other than a few more IB members would have gotten more VP loot before TMO entered.

IB/TR had no say in the matter. VP was a forced rotation for the first day. Anything else you said in your post past that is just what-ifs you claimed you weren't going to entertain.

That works both ways.

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Originally Posted by Tiddlywinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB/TR had no say in the matter. VP was a forced rotation for the first day. Anything else you said in your post past that is just what-ifs you claimed you weren't going to entertain.

That works both ways.

IB/TR did have a say in the matter, it was only forced for the first raid. They chose to rotate the following weeks.

I didn't say I wouldn't entertain the what ifs... I said they didn't matter.

Are you being ignorant on purpose?

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Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB/TR did have a say in the matter, it was only forced for the first raid. They chose to rotate the following weeks.

I didn't say I wouldn't entertain the what ifs... I said they didn't matter.

Are you being ignorant on purpose?

You said they didn't matter, then added your own.

Anyway, my posting the what-ifs is only to show you WHY people think that it was IB/TR that deserved VP at the time and not TMO/anyone else. If you can't, or refuse to understand that then I cannot help you in anyway, I am sorry.

I am the one being ignorant though, QED.

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Originally Posted by Tiddlywinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You said they didn't matter, then added your own.

Anyway, my posting the what-ifs is only to show you WHY people think that it was IB/TR that deserved VP at the time and not TMO/anyone else. If you can't, or refuse to understand that then I cannot help you in anyway, I am sorry.

I am the one being ignorant though, QED.

Yeah, I added my own, but it doesn't matter. I entertained an idea that does not matter. I gave you something of equal value back.

I don't see how that is difficult to understand, but I will put it like this. Our opinions on what may or may not have happened does not change anything nor does it add to or take away from what really did happen.

Your what ifs (and mine) don't show anything. People choose to believe what they want for whatever reasons. IB/TR deserved VP and they got it, the only alternative would be to push TMO out of VP and not allow them to raid it for months? This is what you're suggesting, yet you want a "fair" raiding system?