Collectivism vs Individualism

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are Nihilum and TMO the same guild? Both use the exact same logic.

Well, that's a mighty fine question there, Llodd. Nihilum hacks their way to victory, recruits 60% of the server making competition impossible, then cries an "ocean of tears" when the staff decides to make a new server. You would think they'd be happy... they can farm all the pixels they want uncontested... isn't that what they always wanted?

But no, what they want is something else (and coincidentally, something they will never have). They want casuals like us who have a life outside of games to stick around and be jealous of their "accomplishments." They don't want people to leave and go to a server where PvP actually happens. It's just like Nirgon said, they shit their own bed and now they're complaining about the smell.

Now, Supreme will probably jump right back in and say all this "hate" for Nihilum stems from jealousy. Unfortunately that argument won't apply in this case. I'm not on the outside looking in, I was on the inside looking out. I was in Nihilum, past ap status, getting loot at the time of Kunark release. I quit before I ever dinged 52. Raiding uncontested was so boring I lost interest.

So, there's no jealousy here. The operative emotion, for someone who sees people like Supreme desperately crying and begging for attention and affirmation, is pity.

[GrobbGangsta]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, that's a mighty fine question there, Llodd. Nihilum hacks their way to victory, recruits 60% of the server making competition impossible, then cries an "ocean of tears" when the staff decides to make a new server. You would think they'd be happy... they can farm all the pixels they want uncontested... isn't that what they always wanted?

But no, what they want is something else (and coincidentally, something they will never have). They want casuals like us who have a life outside of games to stick around and be jealous of their "accomplishments." They don't want people to leave and go to a server where PvP actually happens. It's just like Nirgon said, they shit their own bed and now they're complaining about the smell.

Now, Supreme will probably jump right back in and say all this "hate" for Nihilum stems from jealousy. Unfortunately that argument won't apply in this case. I'm not on the outside looking in, I was on the inside looking out. I was in Nihilum, past ap status, getting loot at the time of Kunark release. I quit before I ever dinged 52. Raiding uncontested was so boring I lost interest.

So, there's no jealousy here. The operative emotion, for someone who sees people like Supreme desperately crying and begging for attention and affirmation, is pity.

This could not be more accurate, and I just wanted to get in before the "you mads" or whatever Nihilum meme of the day gets tossed around.

They do not want "competition." They want a group of people with a serious disadvantage to continue to cobble together a ragtag group and be easily slaughtered while they safely hide behind numbers and gear. They want this to go on indefinitely.

Sorry brews, the dream is dead. All your pixels = zero.

[webrunner5]

Teams99 will be tits up in 6 months just like Red is now. Like it has been said, there is just not that many people that are still into PVP. I, like most people, can hack playing on Red for a day or two, but full time ain't happening with most people.

So I am afraid there is no real hope long term. And once Velious comes out on Blue there will be 4 people on Red playing.