Tebow was cut by the Patriots. /wrists

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm no coach so I don't know whats so bad about his throwing motion. Clearly though these coaches are abuncha min/max'ers because Tebow has a 0.10 sec longer throwing motion than most QB's. Lol gimmie a break. He won games and made the playoffs on a team that was destined for failure.

What would you rather have in EQ? Someone with better dps gear (Sanchez) or someone with better dps (Tebow)?

Min/maxers vs. min/maxers. That 1/10th of a second makes a huge difference between a DB not being able to get to a ball and putting 2 hands on it. And yes, his release takes too long.

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Min/maxers vs. min/maxers. That 1/10th of a second makes a huge difference between a DB not being able to get to a ball and putting 2 hands on it. And yes, his release takes too long.

Exaggeration found here. I guess Kyle Orton's release was worse right? Cause after all Tebow replaced him and immediately started winning games. And then he got to QB for the Jets.... Oh wait Min/Maxers said Sanchez has a better chance to win. BAM! Butt Fumble! Seasons over. Grats.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exaggeration found here. I guess Kyle Orton's release was worse right? Cause after all Tebow replaced him and immediately started winning games. And then he got to QB for the Jets.... Oh wait Min/Maxers said Sanchez has a better chance to win. BAM! Butt Fumble! Seasons over. Grats.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find any coaches who would disagree with the part of the text you bolded. 1/10 of a second is huge in most professional sports.

Do you think the only difference between Tebow and Orton is their respective throwing motions? Tebow brought a lot to the table that Orton didn't. If I had to pick a player in the NFL who would have to be good at ANY position, Tebow would be damn near the top of the list. However, quarterback is a very specialized skillset which I (and many NFL people) think Tebow lacks. When he stepped in for Orton he was something different that teams weren't used to, but other teams soon found ways to gameplan for him to make him ineffective. His slow release makes it hard to compete passes in windows, so as a result his throws were all out routes/comeback routes/deep bombs v. single coverage. His accuracy wasnt great either, so he had a low completion % but few interceptions due to the selection of throws he made / routes that were run.

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you'd be hard pressed to find any coaches who would disagree with the part of the text you bolded. 1/10 of a second is huge in most professional sports.

Do you think the only difference between Tebow and Orton is their respective throwing motions? Tebow brought a lot to the table that Orton didn't. If I had to pick a player in the NFL who would have to be good at ANY position, Tebow would be damn near the top of the list. However, quarterback is a very specialized skillset which I (and many NFL people) think Tebow lacks. When he stepped in for Orton he was something different that teams weren't used to, but other teams soon found ways to gameplan for him to make him ineffective. His slow release makes it hard to compete passes in windows, so as a result his throws were all out routes/comeback routes/deep bombs v. single coverage. His accuracy wasnt great either, so he had a low completion % but few interceptions due to the selection of throws he made / routes that were run.

He won a playoff game. No one "figured" it out and he wouldn't ever be ineffective because he runs like a full back. Teams don't wanna buy-in on him because with all the running he would have to do he would eventually get seriously injured. He may not be an "NFL" QB but he can win games at the QB position doing it his way. I think it's more exciting to watch a running QB than a pocket QB.

Also, lets face it. Wide outs don't wanna play for a running QB. If their stats go down, the min/maxers won't give them that big contract they deserve. The NFL will slowly change into a running style QB and then the media will say it's the best new thing. And people like you will jump on that boat and be a huge fan of the next Tebow.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He won a playoff game. No one "figured" it out and he wouldn't ever be ineffective because he runs like a full back. Teams don't wanna buy-in on him because with all the running he would have to do he would eventually get seriously injured. He may not be an "NFL" QB but he can win games at the QB position doing it his way. I think it's more exciting to watch a running QB than a pocket QB.

Also, lets face it. Wide outs don't wanna play for a running QB. If their stats go down, the min/maxers won't give them that big contract they deserve. The NFL will slowly change into a running style QB and then the media will say it's the best new thing. And people like you will jump on that boat and be a huge fan of the next Tebow.

pre-forward-pass football was boring and almost banned by teddy roosevelt due to deaths

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He won a playoff game. No one "figured" it out and he wouldn't ever be ineffective because he runs like a full back. Teams don't wanna buy-in on him because with all the running he would have to do he would eventually get seriously injured. He may not be an "NFL" QB but he can win games at the QB position doing it his way. I think it's more exciting to watch a running QB than a pocket QB.

Also, lets face it. Wide outs don't wanna play for a running QB. If their stats go down, the min/maxers won't give them that big contract they deserve. The NFL will slowly change into a running style QB and then the media will say it's the best new thing. And people like you will jump on that boat and be a huge fan of the next Tebow.

He lost 4 of his last 5 games as a starter. The last game of the season against KC he went 6/22 passing.

So you think people just don't want to play him cause the receivers won't make as much money? It's all some sort of conspiracy? The offense under Tebow just wasn't much to write home about. The first 5 games that season under Orton they averaged between 20-21pts a game, with Tebow they averaged about the same.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think the only difference between Tebow and Orton is their respective throwing motions? Tebow brought a lot to the table that Orton didn't. If I had to pick a player in the NFL who would have to be good at ANY position, Tebow would be damn near the top of the list. However, quarterback is a very specialized skillset which I (and many NFL people) think Tebow lacks. When he stepped in for Orton he was something different that teams weren't used to, but other teams soon found ways to gameplan for him to make him ineffective. His slow release makes it hard to compete passes in windows, so as a result his throws were all out routes/comeback routes/deep bombs v. single coverage. His accuracy wasnt great either, so he had a low completion % but few interceptions due to the selection of throws he made / routes that were run.

Orton is not a mental midget that cant make correct choices with the ball. Orton does not throw the ball into the ground every single time. Orton was a game manager like pennington, Tebow is media hype that a couple NFL teams fell for. Denver did better with Tebow because Tebow was a better leader and was able to motivate the team to player better for him. the team had no faith in Orton, and these players nowaday dont put their bodies out there for just anyone.. remember "For who? For what?" (if u dont remember "For who? For what?" you're too young to have NFL opinions).

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Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Orton is not a mental midget that cant make correct choices with the ball. Orton does not throw the ball into the ground every single time. Orton was a game manager like pennington, Tebow is media hype that a couple NFL teams fell for. Denver did better with Tebow because Tebow was a better leader and was able to motivate the team to player better for him. the team had no faith in Orton, and these players nowaday dont put their bodies out there for just anyone.. remember "For who? For what?" (if u dont remember "For who? For what?" you're too young to have NFL opinions).

Then we are in agreement no?

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Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exaggeration found here. I guess Kyle Orton's release was worse right? Cause after all Tebow replaced him and immediately started winning games. And then he got to QB for the Jets.... Oh wait Min/Maxers said Sanchez has a better chance to win. BAM! Butt Fumble! Seasons over. Grats.

you don't think small little numbers matter? You know the play last season where flacco threw the ball 58 yards in the air to jones for the TD in the game vs broncos. You know because that game was in denver is the only reason that play happened. the altitude made the ball travel 2 yards further on that throw. That throw 2 yards shorter would have been intercepted by the DB that "misplayed" the ball. Small little things matter and 1/10 of a second on a release is big. watch sports science sometime to see.