When does Canni become more effcient then a Manastone (Hp/Mana ratio wise)

[Tasslehofp99]

So which canni spell is the most efficient? That graph is confusing me.

[Adolphus]

Canni 2

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Adolphus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Canni 2

That is what I thought looking at the graph, but what is the point of having "upgraded" canni spells if they are less efficient? I guess ill have to quest canni 2 for my sham.

[Adolphus]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is what I thought looking at the graph, but what is the point of having "upgraded" canni spells if they are less efficient? I guess ill have to quest canni 2 for my sham.

Something I've been asking myself for a long, long time. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kiwaukee]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is what I thought looking at the graph, but what is the point of having "upgraded" canni spells if they are less efficient? I guess ill have to quest canni 2 for my sham.

Time to full mana is the difference. Cann2 is a little more efficient, but Cann4 is much better for slamming out a bar as quickly as possible. Also, efficiency becomes less useful when you have more regen than the hp you're eating or when someone else is healing you.

Cann2 returns 36 mana at level 60, with a 1.25 second cast time and 2.25 second recast. With a max of 2000 mana (for math's sake), it takes 56 casts to go from 0 to full. 56 casts takes 196 seconds.

Cann4 returns 82 mana at level 60, with a 2.5 second cast time and 3 second recast. With the same mana pool, it takes 25 casts to get from 0 to full. 25 casts takes 137.5 seconds.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Kiwaukee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Time to full mana is the difference. Cann2 is a little more efficient, but Cann4 is much better for slamming out a bar as quickly as possible. Also, efficiency becomes less useful when you have more regen than the hp you're eating or when someone else is healing you.

Cann2 returns 36 mana at level 60, with a 1.25 second cast time and 2.25 second recast. With a max of 2000 mana (for math's sake), it takes 56 casts to go from 0 to full. 56 casts takes 196 seconds.

Cann4 returns 82 mana at level 60, with a 2.5 second cast time and 3 second recast. With the same mana pool, it takes 25 casts to get from 0 to full. 25 casts takes 137.5 seconds.

That makes sense described that way, thanks for taking the time to type that out

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Kiwaukee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Time to full mana is the difference. Cann2 is a little more efficient, but Cann4 is much better for slamming out a bar as quickly as possible. Also, efficiency becomes less useful when you have more regen than the hp you're eating or when someone else is healing you.

Cann2 returns 36 mana at level 60, with a 1.25 second cast time and 2.25 second recast. With a max of 2000 mana (for math's sake), it takes 56 casts to go from 0 to full. 56 casts takes 196 seconds.

Cann4 returns 82 mana at level 60, with a 2.5 second cast time and 3 second recast. With the same mana pool, it takes 25 casts to get from 0 to full. 25 casts takes 137.5 seconds.

This. If you used the time you save by using cann4 over cann2 to just regen HP(to make up for the poorer ratio) you probably come out ahead just doing that.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is what I thought looking at the graph, but what is the point of having "upgraded" canni spells if they are less efficient? I guess ill have to quest canni 2 for my sham.

As Kiwaukee described, Shamans (particularly at 60 with Torpor) often find that their major limiting factor is time rather than hit points. It's a very busy class. The higher ranks of Canni might be somewhat less efficient on a per-hit point basis but allow the user to convert significantly more hit points per unit of time, hence gaining mana more rapidly overall.

Note that Canni4 is a Velious spell and hence isn't currently available.

Danth

[Visual]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As Kiwaukee described, Shamans (particularly at 60 with Torpor) often find that their major limiting factor is time rather than hit points.

Can tell you 1st hand ms+torp is the life. oom to fm in like a 90 seconds.

[VincentVolaju]

Originally Posted by Visual [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can tell you 1st hand ms+torp is the life. oom to fm in like a 90 seconds.

Thats good to hear =). Guessing another benefit of it might be that you can do it in combat mid fight, throw a torp on then spam stone likes 20times in 3 seconds or something, yeah?