Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Nizzarr]

So -- They remove training in vp yet?

Would give a chance to other guild to poopsock something worth something.

also wts trak tooth mq if those are still worth anything!

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So -- They remove training in vp yet?

Would give a chance to other guild to poopsock something worth something.

also wts trak tooth mq if those are still worth anything!

What you want for dat trak tooth?

Also-- why not give VP without training a try for like a week or two and see what happens?

If the gms/devs are really against removing sanctioned training, then why don't we as players end it and see how it goes? I mean the worst that could happen is someone decides to poopsock and someone else decides to train them. Then we can atleast say we tried to do something good for the server, and if it doesn't work out then so be it. We could come to any number of agreements to improve the way VP is contested.

The current system is idiotic and only suits shitheads that enjoy griefing and ruining other players' play time. If TMO is worried about poopsockers then we can make training sockers a part of the agreement or something. I just don't see any other solutions other than gms changing the rules, which I dont think would be too unreasonable considering the immense support among players for it. Not to mention the fact that training was never ever sanctioned/accepted on live, which is a relevant fact if p99 is still attempting to mirror classic eq experience as stated on the p99 homepage.

[Alorae]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The current system is idiotic and only suits shitheads that enjoy griefing and ruining other players' play time.

This describes a lot of people on these kinds of servers unfortunately.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The current system is idiotic and only suits shitheads that enjoy griefing and ruining other players' play time. If TMO is worried about poopsockers then we can make training sockers a part of the agreement or something. I just don't see any other solutions other than gms changing the rules, which I dont think would be too unreasonable considering the immense support among players for it. Not to mention the fact that training was never ever sanctioned/accepted on live, which is a relevant fact if p99 is still attempting to mirror classic eq experience as stated on the p99 homepage.

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time for some rule changin

[Tasslehofp99]

Lets just consider the legitimate reasons for and against training being allowed in VP.

Legitimate reasons for allowing training: initially the pathing in VP was so bad that quite literally a guild pulling a dragon did not know what to expect in terms of mlb behavior and pathing. This created many scenarios where training happened often and many petitions were filed. The workload on the GMs would be immense, especially when you add in the fact that FTE disputes were common as well.

Those two concerns realistically can't be eliminated completely but surely the addition of fte shouts and improvements made to pathing recently should alleviate these issues for the most part, especially if intentional training was to be enforced.


Legitimate reasons against training in VP: its purely a griefing tactic used to waste players time and prolong competition over mobs until one guild gains an upper hand over the other simply by having more trainers available. This is not true competition.

The next reason would be that training was never allowed on live in any zone.
Its just not classic.

Yet another would be that less douschebaggery between guild (such as training) would lead to a more enjoyable raid scene for all.

Another reason would be that it would force raiding guilds to more strategically prioritize targets, which theoretically, would allow other guilds a higher chance at attempting raid bosses outside of VP.


Feel free to add reasons for or against sanctioned training in VP, as long as they are legitimate.


I chose to leave out poopsocking as a legitimate reason for allowing training because that isn't a legitimate reason to allow training. If a guild is willing to sit on a dragons spawn for an extended period of time then more power to them. I find it amusing that folks are arguing for a non classic rule to be enforced in order to prevent a classic stratedgy that was employed by many guilds on live. Im not saying i support poopsocking or enjoy it, but if guilds wanna do that then that is their choice. Assholes shouldn't be allowed to train them because their guild lacks the heart to do the same. That just amounts to being less competitiveness between guilds as well as the bad blood which is evident on this thread among others.

[quido]

How else is Tasslehof going to get a Crown of Rile? You wouldn't be seeing all this crap if his previous attempts had worked out. Whatever it takes!

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How else is Tasslehof going to get a Crown of Rile? You wouldn't be seeing all this crap if his previous attempts had worked out. Whatever it takes!

One could say the same thing about anyone who supports sanctioned training in VP.

As I've said in previous posts this goes beyond any single player or guild. People don't want training allowed on a classic eq emu server, get over it. You had your fun for 2 years griefing people freely, methinks its time for a change.

Stop rants and flaming my post pls jeremy.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop rants and flaming my post pls jeremy.

I'm getting tired of hearing you say this when pointing out the blatant reality of your situation and motivation is considered inflammatory by you. I reserved my uncensored comments for other threads. I think the discussion merits pointing out that trying to change the rules was your second or third choice out of the possible courses of action.

[Arteker]

tmo never had vp unconsted 2 years vp , we have to deal with ib vd bda fe trains all over to the point the mentality of train wars sticked deep and hard and alots of people got pissed angry and want to strike back .

as i said do it in game not forums , do it in game because no tmo will take forums serius unless its a gm official ruling.
p99 forums are full of shit on a level i havent seen in 13 eyars of everquest players since furor anger issues over paladins sks back in the day .

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets just consider the legitimate reasons for and against training being allowed in VP.

Legitimate reasons for allowing training: initially the pathing in VP was so bad that quite literally a guild pulling a dragon did not know what to expect in terms of mlb behavior and pathing. This created many scenarios where training happened often and many petitions were filed. The workload on the GMs would be immense, especially when you add in the fact that FTE disputes were common as well.

Those two concerns realistically can't be eliminated completely but surely the addition of fte shouts and improvements made to pathing recently should alleviate these issues for the most part, especially if intentional training was to be enforced.


Legitimate reasons against training in VP: its purely a griefing tactic used to waste players time and prolong competition over mobs until one guild gains an upper hand over the other simply by having more trainers available. This is not true competition.

The next reason would be that training was never allowed on live in any zone.
Its just not classic.

Yet another would be that less douschebaggery between guild (such as training) would lead to a more enjoyable raid scene for all.

Another reason would be that it would force raiding guilds to more strategically prioritize targets, which theoretically, would allow other guilds a higher chance at attempting raid bosses outside of VP.


Feel free to add reasons for or against sanctioned training in VP, as long as they are legitimate.


I chose to leave out poopsocking as a legitimate reason for allowing training because that isn't a legitimate reason to allow training. If a guild is willing to sit on a dragons spawn for an extended period of time then more power to them. I find it amusing that folks are arguing for a non classic rule to be enforced in order to prevent a classic stratedgy that was employed by many guilds on live. Im not saying i support poopsocking or enjoy it, but if guilds wanna do that then that is their choice. Assholes shouldn't be allowed to train them because their guild lacks the heart to do the same. That just amounts to being less competitiveness between guilds as well as the bad blood which is evident on this thread among others.

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tmo never had vp unconsted 2 years vp , we have to deal with ib vd bda fe trains all over to the point the mentality of train wars sticked deep and hard and alots of people got pissed angry and want to strike back .

as i said do it in game not forums , do it in game because no tmo will take forums serius unless its a gm official ruling.
p99 forums are full of shit on a level i havent seen in 13 eyars of everquest players since furor anger issues over paladins sks back in the day .

Hey art thanks for your input bud, as for your insistance to 'do it in game and not on the forum" not quite sure what you mean by that. As for official GM ruling, this thread was meant to open up the discussion about the possibility of that happening. Unfortunately I have tried to discuss a treaty in VP or some kind of friendly no training agreement but haven't gotten a respons from zeelot. So.unfortunately it comes down to what the gms think/feel about the topic. If training is decided to be allowed for good well that is unfortunate and will make a lot more players unhappy than outlawing training would make people happy.