Bumamgar

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ignoring for a second your implication that someone isn't playing honestly....

I have access to the Project 1999 source code. This code is derived from the Project EQEMU source code that anyone can download from Google code. The p1999 source code is similar, but modified to implement classic features that are missing from the public EQEMU code base.

I do *not* have access to the Project 1999 database. The database contains the "data" that makes up project 1999 as a unique server. It houses character info, spawn info, timers, etc.

The code, without a database, is an empty world (in fact, for testing purposes, I use a public copy of the PEQ database when coding).

So yes, I can do things like adjust hybrid XP penalties, but I can't see when Naggy will spawn. I also have no GM powers in game, on any account. I cannot ban people, I cannot see the petition queue, I cannot do anything in-game any different than anyone else.

If you look through the patch notes, my contributions to this server have almost exclusively been to make things harder for everyone. Nerfing XP, reducing non-cleric heals by 10%, etc. These changes affect everyone, including me. They do not give myself or my guild any advantage over anyone else.

Just to clarify, I think you're a fantastic dev and when i read patch notes with your name attached I actually appreciated them and thought they were great!

On the other hand, I think you've been a parasite to the raiding scene, which is unfortunate because many of your guild members are quite awesome people.

[Redriot]

This thread needs more Softy.

[haeretic]

Where is the player evidence (timestamped screen shot) of WI supposedly failing the roll call, and perhaps the one showing when/if they fulfilled it?

If GMs truly enforce the player-made raid rules in regard to a roll call timer, would it not be safe to assume they have evidence of whether or not it was completed and within what time frame?

Is someone suggesting IB 'gave' WI 30 minutes with Nagafen, although they had every right not to?

[Beau]

Originally Posted by haeretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where is the player evidence (timestamped screen shot) of WI supposedly failing the roll call, and perhaps the one showing when/if they fulfilled it?

If GMs truly enforce the player-made raid rules in regard to a roll call timer, would it not be safe to assume they have evidence of whether or not it was completed and within what time frame?

Is someone suggesting IB 'gave' WI 30 minutes with Nagafen, although they had every right not to?

There is no need for one being as IB did not push the issue. This thread is about Ektar being called out for following the same rules this server has gone off of for the last several months, and other players claiming ignorance to those rules. Not about who had claim over a mob.

[Beau]

Basically don't come to Rants and flames and call someone out for trying to take the high road, and do things the right way, especially after said player or group of players took a higher road and let you have it all together.

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Beau [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no need for one being as IB did not push the issue. This thread is about Ektar being called out for following the same rules this server has gone off of for the last several months, and other players claiming ignorance to those rules. Not about who had claim over a mob.

No one from WI called Ektar out for anything. Someone else flamed WI for failing the role call and I thanked IB for not pushing the issue. I know it's hard for forum trolls to read through their rage-vision, but seriously, at least make some attempt to read before posting, thanks!

(Actually, I think Skope, who is not a member of WI and is in fact, the founding member of the p1999 chapter of the global Bumamgar haters club, is the one who "called out Ektar" and claimed "shady" dealings when we failed the timer and IB chose not to enforce it).

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one from WI called Ektar out for anything. Someone else flamed WI for failing the role call and I thanked IB for not pushing the issue. I know it's hard for forum trolls to read through their rage-vision, but seriously, at least make some attempt to read before posting, thanks!

(Actually, I think Skope, who is not a member of WI and is in fact, the founding member of the p1999 chapter of the global Bumamgar haters club, is the one who "called out Ektar" and claimed "shady" dealings when we failed the timer and IB chose not to enforce it).

IB had the dignity and respect to realize that WI may not have been aware of the existing rules.

Bravo IB, and cheers to WI for your dragon kill! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now let's all get together and address this camping fiasco.

[Beau]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one from WI called Ektar out for anything. Someone else flamed WI for failing the role call and I thanked IB for not pushing the issue. I know it's hard for forum trolls to read through their rage-vision, but seriously, at least make some attempt to read before posting, thanks!

And

Ektar tried to impose some additional rules on the situation, and I promptly ignored him. I'm not against working within an additional set of player created rules, but no one handed me a rulebook when I formed WI and started raiding, and waiting till I'm running a raid under a 30 minute timer at 8:30 in the morning on a Monday to inform me of these "extra" rules and expecting me to honor them sight unseen and back down from a mob I've just spent 5 days camping is ludicrous. I'm sure I'll be involved in further discussions with the other raiding guilds on this server and come to an agreement, but springing it as a surprise mid-raid is pretty lame, imho. It was well known that WI was camping Naggy, and there was plenty of time for Ektar to send me a tell during that time to make sure I was aware of whatever additional rules beyond the official GM created rules I was going to be expected to know about and adhere to.

To me, coming to the RnF and calling someone by name on something you dont agree with, is a pretty good example of calling someone out. That may not have been your intention, but that is how it came across. "Soandso trying to impose additional rules." It would be one thing if he was making stuff up on the spot. But these particular "additional rules" have been standard practice for months.

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Beau [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To me, coming to the RnF and calling someone by name on something you dont agree with, is a pretty good example of calling someone out. That may not have been your intention, but that is how it came across. "Soandso trying to impose additional rules." It would be one thing if he was making stuff up on the spot. But these particular "additional rules" have been standard practice for months.

You took those quotes out of context (a standard rants and flames tactic, I know).

I was RESPONDING to Skope, who had already called Ektar out with his screenshots and posts. I didn't call Ektar out, Skope did. I simply responded to Skope's allegations once the "calling out" and "flaming" had already begun.

Basically, in-game, WI and IB both acted honorably and within the server rules. However, Skope, who had been stalking the WI camp for a few days, decided to come here and stir up some shit, and succeeded.

If I'm to blame for anything, it's for trying to actually explain the situation to Skope and others when it's clear he just wanted to rage against me for no reason and I should have just ignored him and let it go.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one from WI called Ektar out for anything. Someone else flamed WI for failing the role call and I thanked IB for not pushing the issue. I know it's hard for forum trolls to read through their rage-vision, but seriously, at least make some attempt to read before posting, thanks!

(Actually, I think Skope, who is not a member of WI and is in fact, the founding member of the p1999 chapter of the global Bumamgar haters club, is the one who "called out Ektar" and claimed "shady" dealings when we failed the timer and IB chose not to enforce it).

I absolutely thought it was shady when IB didn't hold you to the same rules they'd hold everyone else to, and even shadier that you weren't obliged to follow the same rules as the other guilds have had to follow for months now after the fact with the argument that you didn't know these rules existed. THEN, as if a person could actually top that, you, as the guild leader, claimed that you'll think about whether or not you'll abide by that rule in the future.

You're all kinds of shady. What's worse is that you're leading a guild with some pretty cool people and giving them a really bad name. If you want my advice, it would be wise to be truthful and apologize and say you weren't aware of how these things go instead of "i'll think about whether or not i agree with these rules." That's not exactly the kind of thing you want to see from a guild and a leader who recently joined the raiding scene thinking he can start widening his shoulders after a poopsock dragon kill.

Had Ektar held you to the standard that everyone else is held to, you'd have had some serious explaining to do to your own guildies because of your laziness and inability to read the raiding rules. No matter how angry you think i am, your guildies should really be infuriated.