Soulfire

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The shitty thing about Soulfire's is they trivialize an encounter, NOT all encounters simultaneously.

Translation from Alarti spinspeak: FE killed something, therefore soulfires need to nerfed.

Also, my whole point is that because Donal's BPs are in fact useful on all encounters simultaneously, they have a greater impact.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Translation from Alarti spinspeak: FE killed something, therefore soulfires need to nerfed.

Also, my whole point is that because Donal's BPs are in fact useful on all encounters simultaneously, they have a greater impact.

Actually, FE killing something cause TMO was super slow to engage we had no reason to still be sitting on our thumbs. Soulfire's need to be nerfed because they are game-breaking. FE shouldn't use them to kill Trak. TMO shouldn't use them to kill AoW. The end.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, FE killing something cause TMO was super slow to engage we had no reason to still be sitting on our thumbs. Soulfire's need to be nerfed because they are game-breaking. FE shouldn't use them to kill Trak. TMO shouldn't use them to kill AoW. The end.

Any particular reason you waited over 2 years to bring this up?

What is your position on Reapers of the Dead?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any particular reason you waited over 2 years to bring this up?

What is your position on Reapers of the Dead?

I never mentioned anything about Sky always deleting my buffs when I ported up, or Lev not working initially, or Raid mobs quadding in Kunark either. I didn't bring anything up. This post was made by a different person.
Do I think Soulfire's will get nerfed... absolutely not. Should they? In my opinion, yes. To me the game should be played in the way it was intended not with some over-looked mechanic.
Clerics were made to CH raids. Soulfires/Donals BP's etc break cleric and raid mechanics. If you want autobot clerics you mine as well bring in Merc's from Live. Donal heals were nerfed on live because of the negative effect on the raid scence demonstrated by guilds using them to heal. It is highly doubtful raid guilds were using SoulFire CH spam to heal in Velious. If you say they did... prove it.

You can be a classic supporter without being an idiot. Just because something is "classic" doesn't mean its a good idea or even valid. i.e Hybrid exp penalties... just stupid.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never mentioned anything about Sky always deleting my buffs when I ported up, or Lev not working initially, or Raid mobs quadding in Kunark either. I didn't bring anything up. This post was made by a different person.

Why dodge my question and raise a bunch of strawmen? You certainly did bring up your position that it should be nerfed. You just happened to post it in a thread that also advocated that same position. Unless you are denying that you think that Soulfire should be fixed/nerfed.

Do I think Soulfire's will get nerfed... absolutely not. Should they? In my opinion, yes. To me the game should be played in the way it was intended not with some over-looked mechanic.

"original intent", sounds like you need to roll a custom server. Fix hybrid penalties, feign death pulling, clickies, recharging, etc.

Clerics were made to CH raids.

Are you sure about that? Following your opinion that "the game should be played in the way it was intended" you should remove the spell complete heal.

Soulfires/Donals BP's etc break cleric and raid mechanics. If you want autobot clerics you mine as well bring in Merc's from Live. Donal heals were nerfed on live because of the negative effect on the raid scence demonstrated by guilds using them to heal. It is highly doubtful raid guilds were using SoulFire CH spam to heal in Velious. If you say they did... prove it.

Why do I need to prove anything? Soulfire is currently implemented as it should be. The burden of proof is on you my good man.

So clerics were made to CH raids, but then you pass it off as autobots/mercs? Which is it? With Donals or without, EQ classic unfortunately makes clerics use CH chains.

Donal's BP is already reported and set up for patching within the proper timeline.

You can be a classic supporter without being an idiot.

Ad hominem you know better than that Alarti, come on.

Just because something is "classic" doesn't mean its a good idea or even valid. i.e Hybrid exp penalties... just stupid.

That isn't the goal of this server. EQ was brutal in its time sinks and some mechanics and itemization.. This server needs/should take the good with the bad.

Why not roll a custom server for yourself with EQ in your vision?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why dodge my question and raise a bunch of strawmen? You certainly did bring up your position that it should be nerfed. You just happened to post it in a thread that also advocated that same position. Unless you are denying that you think that Soulfire should be fixed/nerfed.

You implied i waited 2 years to bring up an issue. I told you I didn't bring up the issue I just supported it. This demonstrates apathy not malice. I also don't sit around thinking about what should or shouldn't be fixed about p99 all day. I thought about this subject and came to a conclusion.

"original intent", sounds like you need to roll a custom server. Fix hybrid penalties, feign death pulling, clickies, recharging, etc.

Psssst. Ele this is a custom server.

Are you sure about that? Following your opinion that "the game should be played in the way it was intended" you should remove the spell complete heal.

Really... lol. Please post that in passing dev comment as evidence i'd be glad to dissect it for you

Why do I need to prove anything? Soulfire is currently implemented as it should be. The burden of proof is on you my good man.

I agree soulfire is implemented as it was in classic. I would disagree as to whether it should be implemented the same way here. In case you missed it I am implying that the only reason it went un-noticed and never got nerfed was because no raiding guild were using it like they used Donals.

So clerics were made to CH raids, but then you pass it off as autobots/mercs? Which is it? With Donals or without, EQ classic unfortunately makes clerics use CH chains.

Heard of a limiting factor called mana?

Donal's BP is already reported and set up for patching within the proper timeline.

Good?


Ad hominem you know better than that Alarti, come on.

Actually, this wasn't. It was a statement of truth and wasn't directed at a particular person.


That isn't the goal of this server. EQ was brutal in its time sinks and some mechanics and itemization.. This server needs/should take the good with the bad.

I think there are smarter choices then this. What is the good value you get from having paladins level 40% slower than others or for allowing Soulfires to heal a raid? Other than "its classic" of course.

Why not roll a custom server for yourself with EQ in your vision?

Why don't you. This server is certainly not your vision. You want to fight for your cause.. why deny others theirs?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Soulfire's [sic] need to be nerfed because they are game-breaking.

Alarti, over twelve posts or something you have simply repeated yourself over and over again and ignored what I am saying. Please directly answer: why do you feel that Soulfires are more game breaking than

• Puppet strings allowing Svenn to solo the Sebilite Protector
• The Donals BP allowing Elethia and Sentenza to duo Ragefire
• Enchanters charming the splits in Sky allowing The A-Team to take out the Spiroc Lord with 7
• The A-Team using puppet strings to kill Trakanon with 10 (well, this would be happening if he wasn't killed within 5 minutes of spawning)

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti, over twelve posts or something you have simply repeated yourself over and over again and ignored what I am saying. Please directly answer: why do you feel that Soulfires are more game breaking than

• Puppet strings allowing Svenn to solo the Sebilite Protector
• The Donals BP allowing Elethia and Sentenza to duo Ragefire
• Enchanters charming the splits in Sky allowing The A-Team to take out the Spiroc Lord with 7
• The A-Team using puppet strings to kill Trakanon with 10 (well, this would be happening if he wasn't killed within 5 minutes of spawning)

Sure. Soulfire insta click. Donals not insta click--but I agree should be nerfed.

Also, what does a level of game-breaking have to do with anything? Are puppet strings going to get you Velious kills? Kunark is done. Its been broken for years. My focus is on the future.

[Splorf22]

I couldn't resist taking another look at this thread and then I just couldn't resist scoring a few hundred more easy forumquest points at Alarti's expense.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001

Sure. Soulfire insta click. Donals not insta click--but I agree should be nerfed.

NERF JBOOTS! /smack

Obviously what matters is not the casting time but what you can do with the item/mechanic vs without, which is why I gave those examples of other items/mechanics allowing you do things that the vision squad at Verant would probably not approve of.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, what does a level of game-breaking have to do with anything?

Are you serious? Your whole argument is that soulfire is gamebreaking. Pretty much everyone in this thread has been trying to explain to you that there are many other mechanics that were fixed later that have an even larger effect.

Originally Posted by Alarti001

Are puppet strings going to get you Velious kills? Kunark is done. Its been broken for years. My focus is on the future.

Are there <= L51 charmable mobs in Velious? You say there are tons in Kael? I mean where do you come up with this stuff. And while I'm at it:

Originally Posted by arsenalpow

There will be no swarm. Some of us play this game for reasons other than loot.

There are a lot of reasons to try to zerg down the Avatar of War, but rolling against 40 other warriors for a 15/23 blade with no proc is not one of them.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I couldn't resist taking another look at this thread and then I just couldn't resist scoring a few hundred more easy forumquest points at Alarti's expense.



NERF JBOOTS! /smack

Obviously what matters is not the casting time but what you can do with the item/mechanic vs without, which is why I gave those examples of other items/mechanics allowing you do things that the vision squad at Verant would probably not approve of.



Are you serious? Your whole argument is that soulfire is gamebreaking. Pretty much everyone in this thread has been trying to explain to you that there are many other mechanics that were fixed later that have an even larger effect.



Are there <= L51 charmable mobs in Velious? You say there are tons in Kael? I mean where do you come up with this stuff. And while I'm at it:



There are a lot of reasons to try to zerg down the Avatar of War, but rolling against 40 other warriors for a 15/23 blade with no proc is not one of them.

I love that you think you made even one point. Please talk more about Jboots nerf.
Derp.