So how about that Zimmerman trial?

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And it still doesn't change the fact that if Zimmerman hadn't gotten of his car with his 9mm security blanket and tried to play cop, and let the real police handle it, none of this shit would have happened. He's guilty of manslaughter, at least, and it's looking like he's going to jail. As he should.

no, it doesn't change the fact that if zimmerman doesn't get out of car, none of this happens. you are correct about that. that is the tragedy of the situation.

unfortunately, the conclusions you draw from that inkling of factual information are devastatingly poor. the difference between murder 2 and manslaughter is all about zimmerman's state of mind. basically, whether or not the actions were perpetrated with ill will or malice. ill will is not really the main dispute in this case. he called martin a fucking punk -- if you're going to deny self defense, you may as well go ahead with murder 2.

but that's irrelevant, because in order for either of these charges to land, you need to disprove self defense. and there is insufficient evidence to disprove self defense. it is not looking like he's going to jail -- it is overwhelmingly looking like acquittal. if some miscarriage of justice does result in conviction, he is virtually certain to overturn on appeal.

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no, it doesn't change the fact that if zimmerman doesn't get out of car, none of this happens. you are correct about that. that is the tragedy of the situation.

unfortunately, the conclusions you draw from that inkling of factual information are devastatingly poor. the difference between murder 2 and manslaughter is all about zimmerman's state of mind. basically, whether or not the actions were perpetrated with ill will or malice. ill will is not really the main dispute in this case. he called martin a fucking punk -- if you're going to deny self defense, you may as well go ahead with murder 2.

but that's irrelevant, because in order for either of these charges to land, you need to disprove self defense. and there is insufficient evidence to disprove self defense. it is not looking like he's going to jail -- it is overwhelmingly looking like acquittal. if some miscarriage of justice does result in conviction, he is virtually certain to overturn on appeal.

And it still doesn't change the fact that if Zimmerman hadn't gotten of his car with his 9mm security blanket and tried to play cop, and let the real police handle it, none of this shit would have happened. He's guilty of manslaughter, at least, and it's looking like he's going to jail. As he should.

Spin it anyway you like, Zimmerman caused an avoidable death due to astounding stupidity and poor judgement. Manslaughter.