Raid Changes

[Nizzarr]

camping a mob isnt effort its retarded.

anyway if they want to claim a spawn they'll need a force able to take it -- 15 able players(46+) is what it takes to start the engage timer( 2 hours). Thats non-afk moving players btw. If two or more guilds are present for the spawn, which is very unlikely given the spawn time variance, then they should /random 1000 for the spawn.

Engage timer is only started when theres competition for a spawn, it is ONLY to decide who gets first shot at a mob. You need 15 players to start the 2 hour engage period on the other guild. The first guild present needs to be able to prove that they got 15 moving players.

Spawn time, even if random, can be seen by GMs. This rule is impervious only if GMs shut their mouth about spawn time. I'll be very suspicious if a guild is waiting on a spawn then it happens very shortly after they assemble a force.

These rules are only for dragons.

Planar rules should be whoever break the plane gets the first shot at the easy boss/god.
Planar leapfrogging in my mind is very cheap. Although you can have a force ready for a easy boss/god if the first guild fails their first attempt.

Plane trash should work like this: if you broke the plane, you own all the trash inside until you leave. If you stay for respawns, then the respawns are yours until you decide to leave.


so if something in there sounds unfair to you guys, please make tweaks and suggestions.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

camping a mob isnt effort its retarded.

anyway if they want to claim a spawn they'll need a force able to take it -- 15 able players(46+) is what it takes to start the engage timer( 2 hours). Thats non-afk moving players btw. If two or more guilds are present for the spawn, which is very unlikely given the spawn time variance, then they should /random 1000 for the spawn.

Engage timer is only started when theres competition for a spawn, it is ONLY to decide who gets first shot at a mob. You need 15 players to start the 2 hour engage period on the other guild. The first guild present needs to be able to prove that they got 15 moving players.

Spawn time, even if random, can be seen by GMs. This rule is impervious only if GMs shut their mouth about spawn time. I'll be very suspicious if a guild is waiting on a spawn then it happens very shortly after they assemble a force.

These rules are only for dragons.

Planar rules should be whoever break the plane gets the first shot at the easy boss/god.
Planar leapfrogging in my mind is very cheap. Although you can have a force ready for a easy boss/god if the first guild fails their first attempt.

Plane trash should work like this: if you broke the plane, you own all the trash inside until you leave. If you stay for respawns, then the respawns are yours until you decide to leave.


so if something in there sounds unfair to you guys, please make tweaks and suggestions.

There are way too many complicated rules in this system. Way too much room to abuse it. Way too easy for trans to park 15 people in a zone. Way too hard to police who is non afk. you're asking for GM's to get involved. They have stated they don't want to get involved. I cannot believe you're actually asking trans to play fair when it comes to planar leapfrogging. They have shown over and over again that with or without some formal set of rules they will not be honorable. Please stop equating our ability to follow rules with theirs, because although we might stick to something like this, they never will.