A Bard's Tale

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait... what? Bards shine in groups. That's a core part of their design. Either you or the Bards you've played with are doing it wrong.

Re. the kiting thing, some players are self-entitled douchebags too and jump at the chance to be angry and nasty at anyone. It isn't always related to justice, it's just general surliness. However on the specific instance of OT, I can understand people getting annoyed. The PLing going on there is ridiculous. I spent a lot of time AoE kiting in LOIO and if there was a group I kept away from their area. Heck, often I joined them. It's simple courtesy. I haven't had one nagative /ooc comment yet.

Pulling half the zone to low HP kite or PL some lazy alt (why the fudge are you playing classic EQ if you want to be PLed) is obnoxious IMO and is a broken mechanic and by definition an exploit, and I won't do it. Having said that, honestly, players upset by it need to stay away from OT. It's not going to change.

Unfortunately this concept eludes a lot of players.

[Flamewraith]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait... what? Bards shine in groups. That's a core part of their design. Either you or the Bards you've played with are doing it wrong.

Re. the kiting thing, some players are self-entitled douchebags too and jump at the chance to be angry and nasty at anyone. It isn't always related to justice, it's just general surliness. However on the specific instance of OT, I can understand people getting annoyed. The PLing going on there is ridiculous. I spent a lot of time AoE kiting in LOIO and if there was a group I kept away from their area. Heck, often I joined them. It's simple courtesy. I haven't had one nagative /ooc comment yet.

Pulling half the zone to low HP kite or PL some lazy alt is obnoxious IMO and is a broken mechanic and by definition an exploit, and I won't do it. Having said that, honestly, players need to stay away from OT. It's not going to change.

Bards are the jack of all trades but master of none. Meaning they aren't GREAT at anything. They do shitty dps, they have shitty regens, and they have half assed mezes and lulls. Having a bard is like adding tape to something not entirely finished, they are fillers for a slot when nothing else is available. Again I have nothing against them, if I'm missing something, and a bard is available, I'd take him over nothing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now as for a ranger.......

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are the jack of all trades but master of none. Meaning they aren't GREAT at anything. They do shitty dps, they have shitty regens, and they have half assed mezes and lulls. Having a bard is like adding tape to something not entirely finished, they are fillers for a slot when nothing else is available. Again I have nothing against them, if I'm missing something, and a bard is available, I'd take him over nothing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now as for a ranger.......

Don't want to derail this thread, but people did the numbers years ago (many more times than once) and apart from things they bring to the table that can't be easily quantified, just pure DPS increase from having a Bard in your group is almost on a par with a Rogue. That doesn't take into account the utility they bring which has the result of speeding up XP generally, and making a group more solid, and flexible.

Mind you, this wasn't in classic which doesn't have the stacking line of Bard overhaste songs, and I think took into account the Bard epic. Even so, a well played Bard holds their own in a group - so much so SOE started nerfing them later on. It's a busy class to play well though, I'm not gonna lie.

P.S. I can't really comment on the "half-assed" statement because apart from missing the point I think because it all stacks anyway, I do fine as main CC, mana battery, and regen-er, along with haster and slow/snarer when there's no Shaman (and even when there is to cover resists), so don't know what else to say.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't want to derail this thread, but people did the numbers years ago (many more times than once) and apart from things they bring to the table that can't be easily quantified, just pure DPS increase from having a Bard in your group is almost on a par with a Rogue. That doesn't take into account the utility they bring which has the result of speeding up XP generally, and making a group more solid, and flexible.

Mind you, this wasn't in classic which doesn't have the stacking line of Bard overhaste songs, and I think took into account the Bard epic. Even so, a well played Bard holds their own in a group - so much so SOE started nerfing them later on. It's a busy class to play well though, I'm not gonna lie.

P.S. I can't really comment on the "half-assed" statement because apart from missing the point I think because it all stacks anyway, I do fine as main CC, mana battery, and regen-er, along with haster and slow/snarer when there's no Shaman (and even when there is to cover resists), so don't know what else to say.

Bards are awesome in groups....Stacking mana songs=Less down time=More Pulls..On top of just that good bards can lock down 3 to 4 adds with mez(sometimes more) in emergencies. That isn't getting into the other songs they have at their disposal that helps groups in a big way. I imagine he had experience with quite a few bad bards.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are the jack of all trades but master of none. Meaning they aren't GREAT at anything. They do shitty dps, they have shitty regens, and they have half assed mezes and lulls. Having a bard is like adding tape to something not entirely finished, they are fillers for a slot when nothing else is available. Again I have nothing against them, if I'm missing something, and a bard is available, I'd take him over nothing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now as for a ranger.......

Two things that no class can surpass bard on. One, bards are 100% necessary on raids for resists because their resist buffs are off the charts high. Two, they are also the fastest class to travel across zones in the game; therefore, they are needed to pull outdoor raid targets (dragons).

I would argue that bards in an exp group can actually pull better than monks in some dungeons, assuming that the bard is skilled.

[cs616]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are the jack of all trades but master of none. Meaning they aren't GREAT at anything. They do shitty dps, they have shitty regens, and they have half assed mezes and lulls. Having a bard is like adding tape to something not entirely finished, they are fillers for a slot when nothing else is available. Again I have nothing against them, if I'm missing something, and a bard is available, I'd take him over nothing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now as for a ranger.......

You sir are woefully misinformed.

[Skope]

Some background before this inevitably goes into RnF (and I hope it does):

This dumbass post by him was started after we (I was on bard and a guildie on his) inadvertently trained him in OT. We must've cross aggro'd while pulling and as a result, after getting low hp aggro and getting blindsided mobs that we didn't see coming - that we must've pulled off his own giant train - we died and then he died.

To see his "don't judge bards" plea shortly after he went off on us in /ooc about "wiping the entire zone" (mind you, he was the only one that died and then complained), is so hypocritical that you'd hope it's some sort of comedic satire, if only for his sake.

We logged in and noticed that it was sparse pickins' - he had a huge chunk of the mobs in the zone for his PLing clientele. So as a result we've got to go out further to grab us some mobs and must've cross aggro'd on something. We pulled our mobs to a quiet corner and flat ground, and as soon as he got low hp aggro, we got blindsided by more mobs (what made it worse was our SoW'd Sarnak). After we died, he aggro'd ours too, died and then flipped his shit in /ooc.

So, yes, accidents happen. Sometimes you get social aggro and aren't aware of it, but if you're going to be so understanding in this forum post then it would do you just as good to not be such a giant douchebag in game. Or at least take your meds.

If you're going to PL as a 55 bard in OT, then you should be more understanding that some of us are there to level as quickly as possible and gtfo. Unfortunately, you pull more than half the zone and then have the balls to complain when these 'understandable mistakes' happen to you, yet when they happen to other people it's not a big deal.

I'm glad you died, and I hope you die many more times as well. If you're going to be a giant douchebag in game then you're going to be called out as a giant douchebag on the forums as well.

You're PLing somebody in OT for $$$ and you died. Get over it. It happens and it'll keep happening. If only there were some way to make sure that it would happen only to you then we'd all be far better off for it.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're going to PL as a 55 bard in OT, then you should be more understanding that some of us are there to level as quickly as possible and gtfo. Unfortunately, you pull more than half the zone and then have the balls to complain when these 'understandable mistakes' happen to you, yet when they happen to other people it's not a big deal.

I'm glad you died, and I hope you die many more times as well. If you're going to be a giant douchebag in game then you're going to be called out as a giant douchebag on the forums as well.

You're PLing somebody in OT for $$$ and you died. Get over it. It happens and it'll keep happening. If only there were some way to make sure that it would happen only to you then we'd all be far better off for it.

Pretty much just going to quote this and say...yea.

I've seen you go off a few times in OOC in OT and it's really not pretty. Your attitude in general is negative, how else would you expect people to treat you? You say it's everyone else being a jerk to bards automatically and that just isn't true.

I have a 59 bard and I have never had one single piece of "bard hate" but that might be because I'm a grouping bard. I tried AoE kiting and just didn't like it. I really enjoy grouping so that's what I do. It's not the only way to play the class but you can't blame other people if you yourself are getting hate when you're spewing it off all the time. Human beings are built on reciprocation: Whatever you put out you get back.

[Widan]

If forums poster "Dostarr" does not have Asperger's I will eat my hat.

[Edame]

So, about a month ago I just logged in and was selling some junk to vendor in at the outpost in Overthere. Out of nowhere a crazy person named Rojas starts sending me tells claiming I was stealing his mobs. I was like 'what?' and then he starts going full retard in OOC calling me a KSer. I run outside and Track him down and I see him with 100s of mobs, stealing every mob in the zone to power level some Iksar Necro named Skeletors. After continuing his public meltdown he proceeded to brag about how he was making 44k tonight.

Beware, if you even log into Overthere or run within 1000 feet of him Rojas will accuse you in OOC of stealing his mobs.

BTW: Dostarr/OP = Rojas

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]