Trap Thread

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

don't think i did. i think i provided standard definitions for sexuality and acknowledged that heterosexuality and homosexuality are not in any way mutually exclusive and do, in fact, overlap in many instances. essentially i allowed for exactly what you said above when you estimated your own sexuality as 90% hetero.

all i did was extract gender from the discussion. gender is a social construct; it is not a consideration when discussing hetero or homo sexuality. everything you've stated has matched that framework, particularly when you reference attraction to a transgender female as an example of homosexual attraction. HBB would argue that is an example of heterosexuality.

I do a lot of my best thinking in the shower, so I had a long shower and gave your ideas some thought.

In terms of definitions, homosexual and heterosexual are a little difficult. Both terms are used as both adjectives and nouns. Some acts are easy to classify with those adjectives. Others are more difficult. What is it if someone's hot girlfriend straps on a huge dildo and fucks him in the ass? What if a cute tgirl has complete sexual reassignment surgery and then she and I hook up? What if I don't know about the reassignment? What if she gives me head before the surgery and I don't know?

Used as nouns, the terms are even more difficult. By stating that they're non-exclusive, you seem to step right into the gray area you were determined to avoid. I'm a straight male. I'm also a little gay. What does that even mean? I haven't even touched on the ambiguities of biological outliers. What if I have sex with a hermaphrodite, but avoid contact with the penis? What if I used to have sex with a tgirl, but before and since only had female partners? What if I masturbated with my buddy when I was 12? What if he touched my penis? What if I touched his?

Language is a living thing. Meanings change over time. Some concepts are even lost completely. I think both of these terms are going through tremendous changes right now, and I think the changes in public opinion about things like pride parades and gay marriage reflect those societal and linguistic changes.

The American Psychological Association, the California Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the National Association of Social Workers filed this brief supporting the challenges to Proposition 8 in California and discussed the temporal and contextual nature of these issues in great detail. This is not fringe thinking. It is mainstream science.

My personal speculation is that this is all happening because we are finally departing the blindness and ignorance of Victorian Christianity. It's about fucking time.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do a lot of my best thinking in the shower, so I had a long shower and gave your ideas some thought.

In terms of definitions, homosexual and heterosexual are a little difficult. Both terms are used as both adjectives and nouns. Some acts are easy to classify with those adjectives. Others are more difficult. What is it if someone's hot girlfriend straps on a huge dildo and fucks him in the ass? What if a cute tgirl has complete sexual reassignment surgery and then she and I hook up? What if I don't know about the reassignment? What if she gives me head before the surgery and I don't know?

Used as nouns, the terms are even more difficult. By stating that they're non-exclusive, you seem to step right into the gray area you were determined to avoid. I'm a straight male. I'm also a little gay. What does that even mean? I haven't even touched on the ambiguities of biological outliers. What if I have sex with a hermaphrodite, but avoid contact with the penis? What if I used to have sex with a tgirl, but before and since only had female partners? What if I masturbated with my buddy when I was 12? What if he touched my penis? What if I touched his?

Language is a living thing. Meanings change over time. Some concepts are even lost completely. I think both of these terms are going through tremendous changes right now, and I think the changes in public opinion about things like pride parades and gay marriage reflect those societal and linguistic changes.

The American Psychological Association, the California Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the National Association of Social Workers filed this brief supporting the challenges to Proposition 8 in California and discussed the temporal and contextual nature of these issues in great detail. This is not fringe thinking. It is mainstream science.

My personal speculation is that this is all happening because we are finally departing the blindness and ignorance of Victorian Christianity. It's about fucking time.

i'm fine with all of this. i'm not insisting upon binary classification. i'm insisting upon the irrelevance of gender in the application of terms that do not provide for the consideration of gender. your hypotheticals prove that such terms are narrow-minded, or at least non-comprehensive. i don't disagree. we can both eagerly await more accurate terminology to describe the world's myriad sexual appetites. in the mean time, the definitions of homosexual and heterosexual are not malleable to the whims of RnF posters and the ambiguities invited by such terms are not easily reconciled