if "u the ppl" really had any say in how america was run

[arcanebrain]

I find it humorous whenever people refer to "what our founding fathers intended." How do you know? Are you gleaming some arcane knowledge from the constitution and related documents? How do you know how Jefferson or Madison would feel about free healthcare for all? Besides, we're talking about men who lived hundreds of years ago. Fallible men who owned slaves, refused to allow women to vote, and thought blacks were a lesser being. Yes, let's defer to those wise men!