Raid Mobs up for Grabs

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Originally Posted by Quizy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe in training cokcblocking or poopsocking.

I believe in mobilizing for raid targets after they spawn.. which is what TMO does... we do not set 15 people on spawns and wait for them..

Not sure who you are referring to but ALOT of servers including most importanlt Veeshan was COMPETITION For raid mobs..

Sounds like you started playing EQ after LDON and instancing came out.. Im not trying to flame you here im just saying this:

Everyone plays the game different.. we arent BREAKING the RULES playing the way we play.. we just all played competitively in classic and for you to tell me my way is wrong is just as stupid as me calling your playstyle wrong(which i have never done)...

best of luck to you and your playstyle.. mine will NOT change.

All I'm asking for, is for people to acknowledge the fact that not all servers were about FFA competition, because it was certainly not the case.

Also, back then it was definitely not a 24/7 job game to kill dragons, at least for us. And if it was the case for some other people, if you can't see how it sounds wrong that the same people 12 years later want to keep doing so in the first place, there is nothing that can be done.

Lastly, I'm all for competition, but how is that to be exclusive with some sort of rotation while leaving some mobs open for mobilization and competition? Seriously, would that kill your fun to not have to do it for all targets but only for a subset against a renewed and credible competition? Which piece of gear don't you have already would that prevent you to get? As we speak, some players can dream again about doing their epic with the same amount of time invested in the past for the next two weeks, without being forced to join the mainstream guild, which let's be honest here, doesn't have the best reputation around here and for a good reason (despite all the spinning going on around).

And on Live, there was no variance, which definitely plays a role in enforcing long tracking sessions on players and having to log at any hour of the day. But tell me, a bit of history here, why was variance put in the first place, if it was not to circumvent the plaguing poopsocking and FTE issues which existed then?

I'm now eagerly waiting for Nilbog's ideas to restore a bit of the classic feeling I had like many other players. And if you're smart, you should also understand why a casual player's opinion should matter as much as somebody willing to invest all his time into the game. Playing more than other people should not entitle the right to tell how everybody else should play, even more since it was not the case for them on live.

P.S: in my opinion, a subset of the dragons (let's say at least half to begin with) should be open for rotation, with some sort of entry test would be best. Add some rules about time to engagement, and number of wipes allowed. Tiering may not be the best way, since it opens up for bias and never ending bitching if not done perfectly. Reduce by a lot the variance, and change the FTE rules with some sort of announcement, which should be done by either the mob itself, or the players themselves.
Make it so the presence of a GM is not required, and just a simple log could quickly let the GMs know who was right and who was wrong. And ban for at least 2 weeks the incriminated guild each time proven wrong. Would quickly change the spirit into a more respectful way.

P.P.S: you can learn from history. Funny how what you describe happened exactly the same way on Fippy Darkpaw: http://www.fippydarkpaw.com/news/show/517883

Read that part well:

When PoP came around the server had been in full tilt competition mode for every single target from classic through luclin for a full year. No spawn apart from Innoruuk was ever up for more than a day, or extremely rarely, two days. Friendships had been forged but usually with one hand on the holster. Guilds were constantly suspicious of each other and for the most part suspected the worst in any given scenario. Players could not enter a zone without someone else suspecting someone was going to get sniped. It had been, after all, a full year of fighting for every scrap of content. Agreements had been made and broken, GM rotations had been implemented, confused, and dropped. Every guild continued to feel like they were on their own and had to battle for their rights of enjoying content.

At this point guild leaders came together and decided enough was enough. Soon after, an agreement had been made on PoP flagging which had been met with incredible success. Guilds were progressing, competition was still available, but everyone got a piece of the pie. Fippy was starting to come together as a community.

They had the exact same issue than here (people who were on a heavy competitive server enforcing their playing style on other servers which didn't.
Some sort of rotation was enforced by the staff but made no sense (tiered, but still allowed for cockblocking access to content).
And reading from this, people who think Velious will solve the competition issues with the current ruleset are naive at best, self-interested at worse.