New Druid Advice from the experts

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I started writing a longer post but basically your argument is that in the BEST CASE SCENARIO stealthy would be just as good goblin.

Stealthy Ring would be better because of the other benefits I mentioned as well, which are more quantifiable than the supposed mana saving benefit you claim Goblin Ring exclusively has, but cannot prove.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4. The benefits of Ring of Stealthy Travel over Goblin Ring are as follows:
A. You get regular invis for free (more mana saving).
B. You don't need to switch targets, as Ring of Stealthy Travel is self cast. This saves a bit of time and reduces targeting errors.
C. You only need to mem invis when invising others, saving spellbook time.
D. Free clickie invis allows you to save mana and time in scenarios where you can lull some mobs and invis around the rest. You don't always need to lull every mob.

You also admitted that once you have Lumi Staff or ES arms, you can save the same nuke mana with mana free damage clickies anyway. So you don't need Goblin Ring for the same mana saving levels 49+, when Stealthy Ring is clickable.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for the gobby vs no gobby AB testing, I've done 44 levels without and 15 levels with and I can tell you I lost significantly more mobs and had to nuke harder without... but its hard to lose less mobs than the zero i'm losing with gobby.

You already admitted that Goblin Ring doesn't positively affect how well you can secure a kill.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody said you need instant/gobby to secure a fight. The point is securing it slightly later to not only avoid nuking twice, but to barely have to nuke at all.

I am not sure why you keep trying to make it sound like you are somehow losing less mobs due to having Goblin Ring specifically.

You could have lost more mobs without Goblin Ring simply because you weren't as good at charming before you got it. You'd need to do AB testing with your current charming skills to rule out that possibility.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole "breaking closer to death has more loss potential" argument has no ground to stand on because the result would be the same with a stealthy ring if it supposedly performs the same. If you chose to to break earlier with stealthy to prevent risk you can do that with a gobby ring too.

It's pretty easy to understand that the closer the mob is to death, the more likely it is to be lost. For the Goblin Ring mana saving strategy to work, you need to click it closer to the mob's death than Ring of Stealthy Travel. This could lead to riskier plays if you aren't being mindful of that.