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Old 08-17-2023, 04:56 PM
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I did not insult him (at least not directly). I pointed out that his statement was dumb and possibly a competitor for the most dumbass statement on these forums. I’m sure he’s an intelligent fella. Sometimes smart people say dumb things. Nobody is perfect.

Then Gloomlord replied

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I think Shaman being a better DPS than Mage may take the cake. lol
Which is a valid point indeed. I will have to concede that Gloodmlord is correct. Greatdane’s statement is clearly not the most dumbass thing said on these forums. That spot is already occupied.

I actually don’t completely disagree with Greatdane’s sentiment. In the presence of a dedicated healer, regen does become less important. This is even more true when you have a well oiled machine of a group where everyone is playing well, the only person taking damage is the tank and there is a cleric lazily tossing a complete heal every few minutes or mobs.

But he didn’t say regen is less important. He said:

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Regen is absolutely worthless anytime there's a healer of any kind.
Absolutely worthless? As in no value? Dems be a strong words … and absolutely incorrect. Regen always adds value. Even if the value is saving the healer some extra mana.

Any kind of healer? Lol. I’ve leveled 2 priests to 60. I’ve leveled the other (cleric) to 59.82. Try to tell me with a straight face that extra regen doesn’t help when healing with a druid. I’ll laugh in your face. Or how about the shaman before they hit 60 and have torpor. For both classes their cast-able regen buffs make up the backbone of baseline healing. Shamans are a busy class with lots of productive things to do. Saving mana needed to heal the tank really frees up druid and pretorpor shaman massively. It’s why spell regen buffs are so valued. It is why hp regen items are so great. Racial regen isn’t really different. Value added is value added. It even can help out the cleric as groups are imperfect and you don’t always have fancy mind buffs.

There is a reason tanks who have them wear fungi’s (or ikky regen bps) if they have them and sacrifice stats and ac to do so. It is because regen is ANYTHING BUT absolutely worthless.

Regen for level range (Other vs Troll)

1-19: 1 stand 2 sit vs 2 stand 4 sit. (1 more hp/tick stand 2 more hp/tick sit)
20-49: 1 stand 3 sit vs 2 stand 6 sit. (1 more hp/tick stand 3 more hp/tick sit)
50: 1 stand 4 sit vs 2 stand 8 sit. (1 more hp/tick stand 4 more hp/tick sit)
51-55: 2 stand 5 sit vs 6 stand 12 sit. (3 more hp/tick stand 6 more hp/tick sit)
56-59: 3 stand 6 sit vs 10 stand 16 sit. (7 more hp/tick stand 10 more hp/tick sit)
60: 4 stand 7 sit vs 12 stand 18 sit. (8 more hp/tick stand 11 more hp/tick sit)

Most tanks don’t need a heal every fight. Passive regen is there between fights and while the sk is medding. As a druid or pretorpor shaman, healing the iksar monk is a lot easier and less mana intensive than the human monk. The also is true for the troll/iksar sk compared to all the other possible races.

They just require less healing over time.

So yeah …

Saying regen is absolutely worthless anytime there‘s a healer of any kind is a pretty dumb thing to say.
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