Another reason entitlements need to go bye-bye

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Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ahh the false dichotomy. either the govt provides nothing and you live a life of freedom and happiness and roses or you have everything provided to you and you're a baby who makes no choices.

You can turn anything into a dichotomy. I mean, lets talk about killing. I could say that either it is bad, or it is good, and thus a false dichotomy. However, rational individuals tend to avoid that type of thinking.

I am not saying the govt is always bad, but the notion that they are motivated by altruistic ends is just silly. I believe in many aspects in which the government is necessary - and in fact, even support SOME social programs. However, much like you want to govt to restrict business practices, I feel the government should be restricted in it's practices. Those restrictions must come from the basic belief that liberty is the foundation on which our society was built, and social programs that infringe that liberty are fundamentally unjust.

The problem you statist have with us libertarians is that you turn all our arguments into these all or nothing propositions - which sometimes is the case, but far more often it is not the case. Despite popular belief, us anarcho-capitalist, libertarians, austrians, whatever you want to call us - we don't want your grandparents to be dying on the street because they can't get health-care - we just don't think the government is the entity to be providing it.

Furthermore, you talk about capitalism like it is a bad thing. If you listen to ron paul, or the judge, or fuck, pick up a book about economics and read it - you'll realize there is a big difference between corporatism and capitalism. We live in a state of corporatism in which greedy businesses and lobbyist hold direct influence over the politicians you expect to provide for us. While I'm against govt healthcare in general, the biggest issue, and the one you seem unable to grasp is that even if the government does provide healthcare, the influence and driving force will still come from a corrupt private sector - and that corruption is enabled by government policies and regulations that restrict competition.

However, you probably won't read this anyway so it is a moot point. Whatever, I'm bored and hell, maybe I'll get one of you jerks to actually think about it (I use "jerks" in an endearing sense, ask anyone <3)