Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have bias. I have every class, and I can guarantee I've done more builds than you. I've learned to appreciate them all in their own way. I know reality whereas you seem to have a distorted view of it to support your favorite class claims.

You've shown how much dps a shaman can do when there are 4-5 mobs in camp and they are allowed to just sit there and hit full epic duration time after time. This is an effective way for a shaman to solo, but you don't even see this happening when shaman's duo. You're usually just focusing down 1 mob at a time and being careful more times than not at what you bring in, especially with super high level content. The hole for instance could easily be a wipe if you get 2-3 nasty golems.

The same goes for this group of 4 situation. There's no point to attempt to bring that many mobs in at once, and let them sit there over and over again so the shaman can do more dps, hehe. It's an unnecessary risk especially when fighting mobs that lvl 60s actually care about, lol. Even seb mobs can get nasty once you get past 3 of them. As myself & Danth already pointed out, most situations you will just eventually run out of mobs too.

Shaman's are a more superior overall class than a mage, but what mages do well, they do really well. This particular scenario is one that they are built for when you have an enchanter/cleric that can cover what a shaman brings to the table.

So sorry, everyone will be enjoying the superior mage dps while your shaman will be sitting there on the baseball field not getting picked for either team of pure casters.

You claim you don't have a bias. I claim I don't have a bias. No way to prove it either way, so we are at an impasse[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You have no monopoly on anti-bias, or proof you have less bias than I do.

You don't need to have every class to know how the math of the game works, or how classes interact in groups.

We were talking about Sebilis, because that is where Troxx got his DPS logs from. As a Shaman I am often times fighting 3-4 mobs down there at a time, because that's how the agro works. I can do this consistently, which means you can do it in a group too. I am sorry that people don't want to play this way, but that doesn't mean you would exclude a Shaman due to lack of DPS in Sebilis. They could match a Mage's DPS if the group wanted it, plus all the additional utility that they have and a Mage does not.

You need to show situations where a Mage is superior over a Shaman. So far the Sebilis example doesn't work, as my Shaman could match the high end DPS of a Mage down there. The math will remain the same, regardless of how you feel.

Also, it is silly to say "you could run out of mobs". That would also be the case if you DPS too fast with the Enchanter/Mage Pets lol. The killspeed is the same if I am matching DPS. This should be a no brainer.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raise your hand if you want to be in a group with some idiot shaman root rotting 4 mobs at a time to make his epic click do respectable damage?

Or you could just group with a mage that does as much/more without all the bullshit. Or better yet just get another enchanter that does like 3x as much dmg with another charm pet. It's fucking insane how far you're reaching to try to shoehorn your dumb class into this hypothetical "whos the best 4 caster group" question. Literally everyone knows you're wrong and you've made like 150 posts saying pure nonsense trying to argue otherwise.

Preference is irrelevant to math. You cannot say the Mage is objectively better here. The math disproves the claim. You just prefer it for your play style. That is fine, but it is not an objective fact. You call a Shaman "dumb", but you have no bias. Got it[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]