CORONAVIRUS Death Thread

[Lune]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

History is littered with giant piles of bones resulting from various progressive societies.

You use 'progressive' like it's a synonym for good. It literally means rapid social change. The Paris Commune was a progressive society, and so were the Bolsheviks. Do you remember Pol Pot? Very progressive. Mao and the Long Progressive March?

The conservative Roman Empire lasted 14 centuries.

Now that I think about, conservative regimes outlast progressive ones almost every single time. I mean I'm looking back what, 10,000 years? Not seeing a single liberal and progressive society surviving more than 200 years anywhere.

It's interesting that the examples you gave are states which survive to this day (with the exception of Bolsheviks). The modern French state has its roots in both the marxist reforms and French revolution. Modern day Cambodia is the nation Pol Pot and his khmer regime built. Modern fascist China is Mao's successor. I didn't say that 'progressive' was a black-and-white synonym for 'good' or that it wasn't often used as an excuse for untold bloodshed.

Only that politics and geopolitics are one big free marketplace of ideas and that conservatism, royalism, loyalism, monarchism, traditionalism, or whatever else you want to call it always lose in the long run.

Also, the Roman Empire at its inception was very much a progressive entity compared to its antecedents, and that 14 century era you cite refers to two (even three or more, depending on opinions) distinct states and successor states that called themselves 'Roman Empire'.

But really my point was just that, the Confederacy, Austria-Hungary, and pre-Meiji Japan would like to have a word with you. And you can count the United States among those unless we find a way to dispose of the confederacy once and for all.

Originally Posted by Blingy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You seem like a nice guy; naive but still nice. I live in a "progressive" utopia. I also visit a lot of "progressive" Utopian places. Between San Francisco, Portland and Seattle the number of progressive people is absolutely astounding. However all are filled with such hatred towards anything that comes out of the orange man's government/tweets/mouth (logic/sciency or not) is automatically bad.

Here in Seattle we have an anti-vax movement that rivals the extremist alt-right levels of distrust. This also extends to anything done by any large private entity. The progressives are so progressive we've progressed to the point of being anti-progressive. This same mindset is very prevalent in nearly every major progressive city on the west coast.

The difference is, those people have little to no political power and in fact they do not command the direction of this country. Even with Obama they had no power. He was a corporate sellout just like Biden will be if he wins. I am not singing the praises of progressivism especially as it exists in the USA, I just really fucking hate the US's conservative streak.