Please check my math on Troll vs Ogre Shaman

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Sacer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, it's like saying c2 is a waste cause you can kill the same thing without, but you do realise more mana = faster kills and if fights are quicker it's safer and you can kill more things? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

May be it's you that speak without having a 60 shaman with torpor. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


edit : oh and yeah I am one of those 60 shaman that wear fungi and bag vindi bp most of the time, and also cast regen on myself

From earlier in the thread:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

at 60 you don't grind, you farm, and whether that's in a group or solo it's not about optimum efficiency, it's just about having enough to get the job done.

Just in case that isn't clear: it doesn't matter how long it takes to kill something ... IF you're just going to sit there and do nothing after, while you wait for the respawn. Since Verant never put a ton of named mobs with good loot together in the same room, and mobs with good loot tend to have significant respawn time, there's a practical upper limit to how many such mobs a Shaman can farm at once (and even within that limit there is diminishing returns: you kill the mobs with the best loot first and it gets worse from there).

The "most clustered" nameds I can think of are places like Seb Crypt or PoM A4, where you have several nameds in rooms close together, and if the server isn't busy a single Shaman can do all of them. It's been awhile since I did Crypt, but I do A4 all the time (modulo 22; he's not worth the hassle to me). When I do, I have like half an hour of sitting on my hands after I finish, so there is zero benefit to killing the mobs any faster ... and having 35 minutes to sit on my hands.

So look, you can calculate numbers on the back of a napkin all you want, but ultimately the in-game context matters. If that context is that you're farming HQ ore in Permafrost by killing low level mobs, I'll agree with you: you should Regrowth yourself to kill faster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] And maybe a Troll can even farm 20pp/hour (or whatever) faster at 60 in Permafrost. But to me that doesn't make them the better race at 60, when Ogres can survive more (even if only by the tiniest of fractions) on the hard fights.