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Old 06-12-2020, 04:24 PM
sonofbaal sonofbaal is offline
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Default Please check my math on Troll vs Ogre Shaman

So there is a lot of debate on Trolls vs Ogre for shaman, so I wanted to see just how much the troll regen really mattered. The objective is to find out which class is more efficient with mana , either in its regen or saving it.

Consider the following:

level 50:

Cani mana/hp ratio = .56
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cannibalize

ergo 50 hp turns into 28.

The Troll regen at level 50 is 1/4 (stand/sit) MORE hp than Ogre

Ergo, at level 50 , Troll canidancing will generate 2.24 effective mana per tick (.56*4), or 22.4 mana per minute, or 1344 mana per hour. How much is that?

4 evenomed bolts = 5112 dmg
9 gheals for = 2430 healing


Now comes the real question. In an hour , will you avoid that much damage of 2430 healing, by getting off a root/slow that would have gotten interrupted by stun?



Lets look at level 60:

Troll hp regen is is 7/11 respectively MORE than Ogre.
Which cana you would use the convert is going to depend on Kunark vs Vel, and how much time you want to waste canidancing. Lets go with the dirty quick canni3 with a ratio of .513 vels cani4 for .554


Kunark era quick = .513 * 7/11 =
for standing: 3.591mana/tick = 35.91 mana/min = 2154 mana/hour ,
for sitting : 5.643m/tick = 56.43m/min =3386 mana/hour .

Kunark era using CanI = .56*7/11 =
for standing: 3.92m/t = 39.2m/min = 2352mana/hour
for sitting : 6.16m/t = 61.6m/min = 3696 mana/hour

Vel cani 4 = .554
for standing : 3.899m/t = 38.99m/m = 2339mana/hour
for sitting: 6.09m/t = 60.9m/m= 3654 mana/hour

So how much is lets say 3600 mana end game?
about 24,300 healing per hour with turpor
and about 17,000 more dmg with Pox per hour.


The real question then ,is that worth it still?

Consider a single round of extra dmg you have to endure to root, lets say mid 50's thats around 400 dmg. How many times per hour does that happen? How many times in an hour do you have to take it in the face because you got bashed. Well in order to equate to 3600 mana per hour , you would have to take around 7000 dmg.

Of course are not soloing/tanking , then that is all moot. However, you cannot calculate saving your life because you got off a gate/root. But maybe , one might argue , you would have more mana as a troll , and could get off that gate/root that saves the day.

Finally there is the issue of the snare, which a Troll gets, and has utility when snare isnt available. Esp in velious when you can root and snare mobs.


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