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 All I remember from the ragnarok days was seeing apex getting shit on for weeks. Hearing how Tune pussied it so hard and was hiding from most pvp engagements and it took the steppingrazors and reebz's to muster a fight - which they did near the end and won a fight or two when ragnarok was waning in desire to login anymore.
 Tale of the tape reads like....50 wins to 2 but the apexers like to focus on their "wins" on an aged and self defeated opponent.
 
 I don't think ragnrok and crew ever once had to raid at 4am just to keep dkp going like apex was.
 
 Guess you gotta take what you can.
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