Plane of Mischief Questions...

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Seungkyu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy has 5000+ posts, makes thoughtful commentaries, and does his best to be helpful.

10/10 Would take advice from Loramin.

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin has done more than most for the wiki, helps build the community.

+1 for Loramin... sure would be nice to have a post point system like the FoH forums. (Not a criticism Rogdog, just wistful wishing)

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is one thing to go out of your way to be helpful to others, its another to be rude and disruptive.

I know which one I'd prefer the server had more of.

+1 for Loramin

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Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

giving advice that's trivially and often comically wrong isn't really that helpful tbh

Man, you are really bad at this subjective/objective stuff. Let's consider just one item, the chest piece, because it probably makes your case the strongest and it's been held up as an example in this discussion.

But first let me be clear, because when a person says something in one context, and someone else takes it out of context, that doesn't make the first person "wrong", it makes the second person an ass. I'm talking about having just one BP, the same as I was back on page 1. Obviously two BPs are better than one, and if you can have a stats BP and a clickie BP you get (almost all of) the benefits of both worlds.

AC: 20
STR: +5 STA: +7 WIS: +14 HP: +50 MANA: +80
SV FIRE: +9 SV MAGIC: +9 SV POISON: +9
Effect: Regrowth of the Grove (Any Slot/Can Equip, Casting Time: 9.0)

vs.

AC: 32
STR: +5 WIS: +15 INT: +15 HP: +50 MANA: +90
SV DISEASE: +15 SV MAGIC: +15 SV POISON: +15

Clearly stat-wise the PoM chest piece is better. You get a net +18 to resists, +12 to AC, +10 Mana, and +1 Wis, and you only lose -7 Sta. As I said, stat-wise the chest piece is one of the strongest upgrades ...

... and yet I still maintain that if you have to choose just one, the Skyshrine piece is better because of the click. If I could have only one BP for the rest of my life, I sincerely would choose the Skyshrine one.

I guarantee you will never notice +1 Wis, +10 Mana, or even +12 AC as a Druid (or rather, you'll notice them about as much as you'll notice the -7 Sta). You might notice the saves, in that you'll maybe get feared 1 out of 20 times less or so ...

... but you will definitely notice not having to go into your spell book to mem Regrowth of the Grove everytime someone wants it. You'll especially notice when that last person joins the group the moment after you just regrowth-ed everyone else (which, Murphy's Law, often happens), or when you're low on mana. But every single time you want to cast that spell and you don't have to waste time sitting down, paging to the right page, memming the spell, casting it, then sitting down again to remove it and replace it with another spell, you'll notice.

And of course, the 600 mana Regrowth the BP saves you each time is nothing to sneeze at. Assuming you recast every 20 minutes that's 30/mana a minute, or half a mana a second (ie. roughly the same amount as FT3). But really the time saved is an even bigger deal to me.

A few meaningless stats and 1 in 20 less times running feared vs. saving myself at least ten seconds of of meaningless effort every twenty minutes I play the game (and getting FT3 as long as I would have been casting it anyway?)

And remember, to lose all that isn't free: it will cost you over 100k in plat/PoM cards.

You're that certain that I'm objectively wrong about all that that you're ready to die on that hill?



P.S. In my opinion the case for PoM armor is actually much stronger on the pieces without clickies. Twisted Nature Gloves are objectively better than Woven Grass Gauntlets ... but as I said in the post that started this all, the differences between those two items are:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not as dramatic as the Enchanter robe or Shaman boots.