ugh... ToV rotation wtf??

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Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately the way things are right now, trains result in unintended player deaths in ToV more often than they don't. People get trained with stuffs. If the goal is to stop all the petitionquest resulting from the training in ToV, then banning training is the most direct route to that. A rotation, of course, could also stop the petitionquest, but a lot of people are very strongly opposed to a rotation, and the way the rotation was described in Braknar's post left a million loose ends and ways that guilds could just get utterly screwed. Instituting a 'no trains ever' rule would still allow people to compete for their dragons and it would solve the problem.

Of course, like I mentioned earlier, if the people complaining that they want competition ACTUALLY just want easy and exclusive loot, then the 'no trains ever' rule is horrible for them because it means they have to actually work for their kills, instead of logging in, hitting auto-attack on a dragon that is hand-delivered to them at zoneline, and collecting their dkp and pixels. The best thing that could happen for these folks is no change at all.

First off - the people who didnt like rotation was 99.9% Aftermath.

I dont recall AG/Core/BG/PS/Tempest coming out in droves against it. If they did, I apologize, I must've missed that.

2nd of all - banning the 'trainers' is not enough, because most nerds on here have like 8 toons. This benefits gigantic guilds like - oh wow, look at that, AFTERMATH. You guys average 18 monks at a raid. So you ban, 1 for 7 days, Then another, then another, then another....etc.etc.etc. but again were back to petition quest over who trained who and how.

Take NToV pulling as an example - the Wyverns would get trained all the time. Sometimes it was obvious it was done on purpose, other times it was not so obvious - but the amount of angles and everything you would need to cover yourself was / is stupid.

All of this comes down to how Rogean wants to run his server.

If he wants people to be happy, then its a rotation.

If he wants competition, then leave it how it is.

Trying to conflate the 2 is just flat out bad.

There is not such thing as happy competition. Either you deal with it, or you suppress it.