If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[RocketMoose]

Originally Posted by Hauling [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Creationists aren't stupid, just mislead. God did not create science. Science is not a tangible thing, it's a method to find out how things work. It's about having an idea and testing it to see if it's right and then retesting it over and again to make sure prior results weren't just coincidence. There was no moment in history where we went from having no science to having science. Just like everything else, it evolved through trial and error.

it is your opinion that we are mislead, we can say the same thing about you. Maybe I should have defined what I meant by science better. God created the laws of physics, that we discovered, God created things and put an order to the universe, we just discover the truth that is already out there.

What's the obvious difference? I'm willing to bet you can't look at any one person in a crowd and tell me what their beliefs are, except for the people who hand out fliers that say I'm going to burn in hell when I'm trying to see a baseball game.

Can you LOOK at anyone and tell what they 'believe' or where they work even? No, looking has nothing to do with it. It's the persons words and actions. Someone who is allowing God to work in their life will show signs of God working in their life. I don't believe ALL of those people handing out fliers are going to heaven either, and I don't believe that running around condemning people to Hell is the Christian's position either. Getting saved is far more than just 'fire insurance' if that's all it is to you, then you're mislead anyway (not YOU specifically, you as in anyone) So, no, I can't LOOK at someone and see they're truly a Christian, but I can see by the way they act and what they do if they are. Am I saying Christians are all perfect? Nope, are we always nice all the time? No, certainly not, but a true Christian will show you their true colors if you just sit back and watch them.

We can feel wind and gravity's effects, that's how we know they exist. They can be measured in a repeatable, consistent way that every reasonable person can agree on, but I'm pretty sure I would have known they were there even if no one put a name on them. I cannot say that about god.

Just as you can feel the effects of wind and gravity, you can also feel God, it's not a physical feeling, but it is a spiritual one, and when you're in tune with what's going on there, then you truly can feel Him stirring your spirit. It's seriously inexplicable by scientific terms. So just like you say that you can know they are there without a name, I can say the same, except I can't attach a number to God's operating in my life, I can however feel His effects, and see the results in my life.

As far as your questions about why there aren't monkey human hybrids is because, in fact, there were. If you do a little reading on the subject you will find many, many missing links that have been around in the last half million years or so. Climate conditions, inter species relations and other factors have since eliminated them. Just as monkeys today fight with other monkeys, our ancestors fought with the other branches of the evolutionary chain for survival. And for your point about why there aren't people with higher IQ's, we are the people with higher IQ's and better social and communication skills that survived all of that.

Just because you say we're the ones who survived, does that mean then we're the perfect evolution of human? No, of course not he answered, because we're constantly evolving...which is EXACTLY the point I'm trying to make here. You can attempt to explain the gaping holes in the THEORY of evolution, however your attempts to explain those gaping holes are even less justifiable than God is in your eyes. Oh, we made it because of climate conditions, or inter species relations. That has nothing to do with it, do people adapt? Absolutely, but that's not the theory of evolution, that's just how God created us. God isn't so short sighted to create us with the inability to fight off diseases and climate differences et all. That's the thing, that I would argue vs the people who say that evolutionists are smarter than creationists.

Evolutionists are just trying to simplify God, and creation. To them, everything must have a reason, an exact action and reaction, it has to be measurable, which just isn't true, there are many things in the world that cannot be explained. There are complexities about our Universe, our Planet, and beyond that are so far beyond the realm of understanding it's impossible for the finite human mind to fathom. Those things require faith, faith to believe that God inspired those things and He is in control, or faith to believe that calamity occurred and there is no reasoning behind those things (which completely goes against science's ability to test, and prove, and reprove to verify their existence)

And if you need further evidence of how this works, just look at the different races of people. It's no coincidence that a black man and a black woman have black babies nor a white man and a white woman have white babies. How many genocides of entire populations have there been, just in our recorded history?

Races have nothing to do with it, God created that too, just like He created DNA, something 'science' has only recently discovered, but has been there since the beginning of man. That's like saying me planting a seed for an apple tree should randomly have a chance of creating an orange, not at all true, God is a God of order, not a God of confusion. Genocides or attempted Genocides, what does this have to do with evolution that couldn't simply be explained through the fact that humans are flawed?

Seriously, we could obviously go back and forth on this for...eternity. I don't mind having a good debate here, in fact I like it, I'm not scared of it. I'm firm in my beliefs, as you are in yours, I doubt either of us is going to shake the other and force them to believe something different through this thread, but I do hope that maybe I can make you realize that all Christians are bigots and ignorant and closed off to things and won't simply write things off without listening and comprehending, and giving a response that is more than just "I'm going to take my ball and go home."

I really believe that proper science will one day come to a point where it can do nothing but prove the existence of God by discovering truths along the way that God himself put in place.

btw, thanks for at least being willing to have a decent conversation, and not being all crazy with just trying to call me a retard, or some elementary school style approach to debate/conversation.