An alternative to variance

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Daldaen

Your own membership's size, and playtime, coupled with stupid 16-hour variance windows are what are inhibiting your guild from killing Trakanon.

Yes, but the problem is Trakanon ain't that hard. You can kill him with 15-20 if you have the right class composition and are willing to burn a lot of clickies. After a few months of powerleveling some shared Rog/Wiz accounts the result would be the usual 10 guild lines for every mob except Gorenaire, and that would not have given BDA/Taken/Divinity more pixels.

Originally Posted by Culkasi

but reality is, it will just turn into a 24/7 sock

The only solution IMO is to force everyone to start from the same spot, i.e. port them to a random firepot location, strip all of their buffs, and reset them to full HP/mana. Even as a new card-carrying member of Class C I think this + velious would be fucking awesome.

Originally Posted by Llodd

Yes please. Could we see how this went down? I assume there's nothing to hide in there? Who has the right to this archive anyway?

The original BDA proposal was 'no alliances at all, every target must be killed in 1 hour, guilds that were signed up for Gorenaire solo start in 1st tier with every good target, other guilds must qualify by killing Gorenaire'. Their second proposal is on the forums in the Raid Discussion section. Sirken made them change the gatekeeper mob to CT, but with the 1 hour time limit its not that much easier. It also included Talendor as the gatekeeper mob to Maestro IIRC (facepalm). We made what we thought was a very fair counter proposal:

Originally Posted by The A-Team adiabatic proposal

1. There is a tier system.
2. There are dark hours, and alliances are allowed during dark hours, but will come with a soft penalty. Alliances of any sort are not allowed during light hours.
3. The following penalties apply equally to light and dark hour kills (note that the notation '+X' indicates that the guild will drop X slots in the rotation):

-- +1 penalty across the tier for alliances during dark hours. That guild is not required to maintain this alliance for any subsequent kills. (Alliances during light hours are of course not allowed).
-- If you fail to kill your target within 60 minutes (90 minutes for CT), +1 penalty on that target only.
-- If you fail to kill your target within 3 hours: +4 penalty across the tier, +2 across other tiers and the target now become FFA within class R.
-- If class C kills your mob: +4 penalty across all tiers

I still think it's a very elegant proposal and I'm not sure why BDA wouldn't accept it.

As Catherin says, there were also a lot of insults and bullying. The average Class R officer is roughly as immersed as the average Class C member.