Lune's Ranger Tips

[Lune]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wurmslayer + any offhand > Woodsman's staff for tanking in groups (which you should be doing pre-50) imo.

Can still spam flame lick between swings, and you'll hit for as much dps.

For solo: vastly different story of course.

Let's say for the sake of illustration you are level 40.

The 1-hand damage bonus is (level -25 /3).

The 2-hand damage bonus at 40 is (level - 25 / 2).

So, for the Wurmslayer: (40 - 25 / 3) = 5

And for the Woodsman's Staff: (40 - 25 / 2) = 7.5

The Woodsman's Staff will swing 8 times for every 7 times the Wurmslayer swings.

Max damage is Weapon damage x 2 + damage bonus

So over a period of 28 seconds:

Wurmslayer: (50 x 7) + (5 x 7) = 385
Woodsman's Staff: (62 x 8) + (7.5 x 8) = 556

Add in a CSS offhand. A 40 ranger will have a dual wield skill no higher than 210, probably lower, which will swing 50% of the time. Formula = (Skill + Level/500 = Chance)

CSS: No damage bonus, so it's simply max hit dps over 28 seconds, divided by half: 140 Damage,

Wurmslayer + CSS: 525
Woodsman's Staff: 556

Keep in mind your casting will clip your offhand swings and potentially lower that first number slightly. When tanking, the Woodsman's Staff will deal better riposte damage, and the dual wield combo will mean you get riposted more. As you get into the 50's, I think dual wield combos catch up to the Woodsman's Staff, but are still a little bit less amenable to casting. (Though I will admit haste gets a little ridiculous and casting will delay swings even with a slower weapon). I hope my math is correct.

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My only addition is that (at 48) I consistently parse higher with one handers (Fayguard Parrying Blade/CSS) than I do with a woodsman's staff, including the lack of spells since I don't cast much with one handers out.

I occasionally get strings of good hits with a 2H and do some respectable dps (45-50) but that is quickly evened out by a string of three or four misses or hits for 13. Average dps with a Woodsman's Staff for me at 48 is around 30. Average for my 1Hs is closer to 35-40, consistently, at 84% Haste.

IMO, at this point in the timeline, 2H damage bonuses and dps isn't what its cracked up to be. Velious should fix that.

YMMV.

I had the opposite experience parsing a Woodsman's Staff against a Lupine Dagger/CSS extensively in the mid 50's. But I didn't have nearly the amount of haste you do, and I couldn't begin to explain how all of that really plays out in practice. There was one session where I consistently out-dpsed a ranger using his epics in Sebilis by casting constantly (We had c2). Yes, my Sebilis group had two rangers.

I think it's safe to say dual wielding is fine, possibly better, in the 50's/high 40's, but I wouldn't do it at lower levels if you have a Woodsman's Staff available.